File spoon-archives/marxism-general.archive/marxism-general_1998/marxism-general.9805, message 192


Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 01:27:59 -0400
From: malecki-AT-algonet.se (Robert Malecki)
Subject: M-G: A flurry of activity!, in the ashes of Jefferson Village!


Being busy with the facist electoral victories now spreading throughout 
Europe on the electoral field yesterday I come back this morning to the 
discussion on new lists arising out of the ashes of Jefferson Village to a 
flurry of activity...

It seems that the latest attempt to hi-jack the M-G list by Rolf away from 
the Utah alternative  and his now evermore bizaar reactions to being opposed 
in his attempts has led to numerous posts by him with the labels of "social 
imperialists", "new gang of four" and another viscious round of cop baiting 
Buford without proof..Classical Mao-Stalinism smears and chest beating to 
cover for his completely bankrupt politics. I also notice he now retracts 
that he was "proud" to turn in the "Russian" variant of his so called 
"Social Imperialism" to the Swedish secret police claiming Malecki lies! I 
suggest that anybody interested in this Maoist has beens latest claim just 
check the archives of M-G and there you will find the proof of Rolf's love 
of the swedish secret police and his undying "proudness" in turning in other 
Stalinist formations to the armed fist of the capitalist state...

It also has drawn to the list (once again!) the three stooges Jones, Henwood 
and Proyect! All who are suppose to be indignantly outraged and busy with 
their new sectarian versions of Godena's M-I type of lists...

Although according to Stevens Doug appears to have actually done best of 
this threesome..Congratulations Doug! I always new you were a slick liberal 
and a lot smarter then Proyect. But not Jones..He is a slick Stalinist on 
your own level...

Even Stevens has jumped in here with the latest version of Proyects "one man 
workers state" and screamings from Proyect of "motherfucker" and his deep 
fear of the Cockroach which by the way is far smarter and cleaner then he 
realizes..Although this to is just another distraction in our attempts to 
create some viable lists out of the ashes of Jefferson Village..

It is noted that despite all the screaming they (perhaps out of their own 
petty bougeois fears) seem forced to hang around if for nothing else to try 
and sabotage any attempts to raise M-G from the ashes of Jefferson Village 
along the general lines of its openess and its history..Notice then none of 
the threesome, nor Stevens have anything concrete or positive to contribute 
to the discussion on new lists..

Naturally this is what they fear most. Because they have always been trying 
to manuver the lists in and entirely different direction..

Oh well, back to some more serious business. I think that Utah should host 
the M-G and have a team of people who have a history of keeping it open for 
all those claiming to fight in the interests of poor and working class people..

One thing that Chris B. said today which was a contribution to this goal was 
having people from various political backgrounds as a set of balance in 
obtaining this goal and attracting new layers of people to the list. Along 
with M-news and M-zines and thaxis this will be a good 
alternative...Hopefully they will complement each other..


I still argue that the servers should be in a number of countries so that if 
one is shut down the other picks it up. And we do not wind up in the 
situation we had when Jefferson Village collapsed under the pressure of all 
this stuff..

I am surprised that Chris is surprised that I suggested him as part of the 
team along with Vlad, Hugh, Brown, Malecki and others who have been around 
long enough and have tried to keep and open list as the only real viable 
alternative for a living list...

Hopefully their will be others to whom will want to take part in this stuff.

I said once that the only way to expose all of the opportunists, hysterical 
petty bourgeois intellectual fakers and all the rest who have done 
everything in their power to organizationally manuver the lists with all 
kinds of campaigns is to counterpose a better list with principled 
organizational positions which garantee all who claim to fight in the 
interests of poor and working class people...a forum to discuss and struggle..

I think that and axis of the four at present--and open Mg, M-News,  M-zines 
and thaxis a good platform to build on and attract people..

This is countered posed to all of the variants that came out of M1 and M-G 
and especially the M-I, Proyects sectarian new creation, the Lenin list, 
Dougs list and the myriad of labor lists run by various reformist outfits on 
the net..

Hopefully we can move forward and create a powerful and principled forum to 
attract those interested in the struggle of poor and working class people 
internationally..

As it is now we have what we call a Polish Parliment with all its variants 
of Bonapartism. opportunism and liberal petty bourgeois hysteria...

Warm regards
Bob Malecki
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