Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 05:02:23 +0200 (MET DST)
From: rolf.martens-AT-mailbox.swipnet.se (Rolf Martens)
Subject: M-G: UNITE! Info #66en: 2/9 Detecting some Net cops, I.


UNITE! Info #66en: 2/9 Detecting some Net cops, I.
[Posted: 23.05.98]

[Continued from part 1/9]


Why do I think Chris is a cop?   

[Originally posted to the then Marxism list
in 5 parts, 30.06.1996]


INTRODUCTION

>From 18.06 on, I've been calling Chris Burford, London, "Chris
Cop". I've promised an explanation for this, and here it is.
Sorry about the rather long time elapsed. I'll also explain why
I think the subject merits such an extensive posting as the
present one, which is in 5 parts.

I cannot say that the below constitutes proof of what I think on
this point, but I hold that it's very strong support of it. As I
already wrote, I've found the writings of Chris to have such an
unpleasant character that I have no qualms about calling him a
cop on these grounds. Generally, of course, one should be quite
careful about doing such a thing.

The below, then, is intended as a discourse in the "Anti-Cop
Academy". Of course, if it's any good, then it will also contain
some pointers for the "Cop Academy" people, on how to camouflage
themselves better in the future, if they do want to try to con-
tinue having non-silent cops working on a list such as this one.
But this is so difficult for them to do, without being found out
sooner or later, anyway. It's the Anti-Cop "Academy" that's the
more important one.

Looking at things in accordance with the theory that this writer,
Chris, is a cop, you can get some quite interesting pointers on
how the cops would like (above all) the adherents of Marx, Lenin
and Mao Zedong to think and argue and act and on how they don't
like them to think, argue and act. This of course provided the
theory is correct.

It's because of the things I said in the last two paragraphs
above that I'm bringing such a comparatively long posting on
this subject.

I shall bring a number of quotes from the writings of Chris
during what one may call "the 'Quispe' fight" on this list,
which lasted approximately from 15.04 to 09.06, in its most im-
portant part.

This fight also has continued since, of course, and so has the
struggle for and against the proposed WMC (World Wide Mobilisa-
tion Commission to defend the revolution in Peru), which has
been closely connected with that struggle in which "Quispe" was
completely exposed as a US imperialist agent and a partner of
the already formerly exposed one, Avakian, who in his turn was,
and still is, the most important official leader of that quite
large, more than a decade long and still continuing Operation
Subversion against the proletarian revolutionary forces in the
world, the phoney "preparatory International" the "RIM".

[A note on the WMC follows in part 9/9. - RM, '98]

Not all comrades have yet realized that the "RIM" was a trap
from the beginning. But all have seen how Avakian and his
"CoRIM" have been openly stabbing the Peruvian revolution in the
back since late 1993. Thus at least as a person, Avakian (also
the chairman of the phoney "RCP" of the USA) has been completely
exposed.

He and the whole phoney"Marxist" ideology connected with him,
for which the comrades of the Detcom (Detroit Peru Support Com-
mittee) have coined the term "Avakianism", have been under at-
tack on the Net since at least the beginning of this year. Thus
that real partnership "Quispe"-Avakian, which eventually showed
up quite clearly, also was very tale-telling.

I intend to show a very systematical support for this Operation
Subversion in general and for "Quispe" in particular, and for
practically all reactionary things you can think of, which there
has been in the writings of Chris - also after 09.06 - , and to
show how he all the time has tried to camouflage that support
under a cloak of being "just an interested onlooker". - Well, in
the last week or so, he's come out more openly than before in
favour of what he wants, which contributes towards proving my
point, I think.

Is it reasonable to suppose that the imperialists may have non-
silent cops working on this list? It is. This because there has,
on the part of not a few writers, been represented some geniune
Marxism here, as opposed to such phoney"Marxist" discussions
which lead "nowhere and everywhere", and this means that some
efforts have been made here in the direction of trying to orga-
nize the international proletariat behind a correct line. But
such organization is something which the bourgeoisie must try to
prevent, using all means at its disposal. Marxism is an extreme-
ly powerful and important weapon for the proletariat. And a list
such as this one absolutely has a potential for being such an
important weapon too.

So it's logical to presume that there are non-silent cops here,
trying of course to disseminate false information, to discredit
correct things and to sow dissension among such forces which
should, despite their differences, unite.

Who's under suspicion of being a cop? In my opinion, on princip-
le, everybody should be. The standpoints and the characters of
the different writers will be seen from their writings over a
longer period - this also coupled with what information there is
about their actions outside the list and the Net as a whole.
Imaginable are also various sophistications such as person A:s
helping to expose cops B and C just to camouflage his/her own
being likewise a cop. (Approximately this was the theme, for in-
stance, of the well-known story by John le Carré: "The Spy Who
Came In from the Cold".) But it's questionable whether there
would really be much use, as seen from the standpoint of the
bourgeoisie, for such "supercops", in comparison with the "da-
mage" which they would have to do just to keep up the camou-
flage.

Net discussions just are no "good" places at all for the cops!
They greatly favour the revolutionaries, who can even utilize
the writings of exposed cops (or more or less justifiedly sus-
pected ones) to get some more information and perhaps a better
understanding of things.

How, in this concrete case, has Chris, in my judgement, so far
behaved in a "copper"ish way?

In the beginning, I on my part did think that Chris was the "in-
terested onlooker" he pretended to be, or just another of those
"appeasers", who need not necessarly be such out of reactionary
intent but in many cases, experience shows, only lack insight in
certain things. As the debate went on, I found him to be a very
persistent and unpleasent representative of the "peace at any
price" ideology and at one point, on 09.06, I posted to the list
a "theory" of his perhaps being "a third part" of the "multiple
personality" of "Quispe" which we by then had been informed of
by comrade Adolfo. But this was more or less intended as only a
joke on my part. It wasn't until 18.06 [1996 - RM, '98] that I
came to the conclusion that Chris indeed probably was a cop.

In reaching this conclusion, I've been assisted by the comments
of some other people, notably journalist Ken Campbell, who on
02.06 justly attacked Chris' condoning of the nasty personal at-
tacks which "Quispe/Ccorimanya" at that time had been directing
at several people in "his" typical lumpen-proletarian style, and
squarely placed Chris in with the "Quispe" black gang. I on my
part at that time was leaning over a little on the side of cau-
tion in my written comments on Chris' continued "let's-all-con-
tinue-to-be-friends" despite those nastinesses, but I realized
that Ken in fact was right. Even such "Quispe" friends as Ma-
lignki [Robert Malecki - RM, '98] and Gina distanced themselves
from the "Qu/Cco":s worst lumpen things.

Below I'll bring a number of quotes from Chris, and a few from
other people too, and comment on these quotes. I've noted 12
elements in his writings which I'll number as different points
and which in my opinion all, some more clearly and some not so
clearly but in one way or the other adding to the picture any-
way, point to his being a *professional* opponent of the Marx-
ists. First a comment on the scene, so to speak, of the
struggle.


THE MARXISM LIST VILLAGE AND "YE OLDE
MAO ZEDONG TEAHOUSE" IN IT

We're all, part of our lives, living in this little village, the
"Marxism List", pop. some 200-300 people. (I on my part am a
relative stranger in town, have only been here since mid-April.)

As you know, down on Main Street in this township there's an es-
tablishment with the signboard outside: "Ye Olde Mao Zedong Tea-
house". It's a saloon in the typical Wild East style. Things are
much rougher inside it than you'd guess when reading that sign.
Smoking and drinking is going on. The men wear long hair, the
women short (in that style popular in Russia, the USA and other
places in the 20:s, after that Bolshie revolution, and revived
in later decades too). Practically every day of the week and in
particular in the holidays, big brawls are taking place in which
everybody joins in, smashing bottles over each others' heads,
firing off their six-shooters into the roof to underline the
subtler points of their arguments, etc. 

[This description of the "scene" i.a. contained some indirect
comments on certain lumpen-type counter-attacks by "Quispe" -
which those on the list then had seen rather recently - against
some of those writers who had helped expose him. - RM, '98]

(Or this is what it might look like on the surface, or viewed
from the outside. In reality it's a complicated struggle for
justice that's going on, to free the village and the whole ter-
ritory from a black gang which has been terrorizing people for
a long time.)

[Continued in part 3/9]



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