File spoon-archives/marxism-international.archive/marxism-international_1996/96-11-06.190, message 68


Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 19:04:58 +0100 (MET)
From: malecki-AT-algonet.se (Robert Malecki)
Subject: M-I: MIM, New Flag & NY Transfer


Forwarding the aftermath of the Adolfo,Quispe,MIM fight which is still going 
on and culminating out on Usenet for your information.

Could somebody forward it to the Peruvian people and J. Plant whom I do not 
have the addresses of. 

Bob Malecki

>From: NY Transfer News Collective <nyt-AT-blythe.org>
>Subject: MIM, New Flag & NY Transfer
>To: archive-AT-blythe.org (nyt rad), archive-AT-blythe.org (nyt cov),
>        archive-AT-blythe.org (nyt sa),
>         nyt-AT-blythe.org (NY Transfer News Collective)
>Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 10:16:57 -0500 (EST)
>Sender: nyt-AT-blythe.org
>
>
>Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit
>
>
>      MIM, The "New Flag" and NY Transfer News Collective
>
>
>[The following note was sent to the Maoist Internationalist Movement
>in response to their announcement (reproduced below) that they were
>leaving NY Transfer. 
>
>Background: Last spring, MIM began a public campaign accusing the New Flag
>and lquispe-AT-nyxfer.blythe.org of being police agents of Fujimori. This
>followed several months of private allegations from them against the New
>Flag, which we looked into. We have refused to deny access to our services
>to the New Flag, and apparently MIM feels that this is a "middle ground"
>position, and hence it is liberalism for them to remain on our system. 
>
>We believe that MIM and many other activists in this ideological firefight
>have been hoodwinked by a COINTELPRO-style disinformation campaign
>designed to do exactly what it has accomplished: throw the anti-Fujimori
>forces into disarray, sow dissension and mistrust, and disrupt the work of
>Peruvian revolutionaries. We won't play the game.  -- NY Transfer]
>
>
> Announcement Received from MIM on Nov 3, 1996:
>
>> THE MAOIST INTERNATIONALIST MOVEMENT CHANGES 
>> INTERNET ADDRESSES
>> 
>> Readers of the Marxism List, MIM Notes or Maoist 
>> Sojourner will know that MIM and others have been 
>> exposing a police plot to disrupt the work of the 
>> Communist Party of Peru (PCP, "Sendero Luminoso" in 
>> the bourgeois press), its supporters, and its 
>> potential supporters. The operation goes under 
>> various names, including "MPP-USA (Peru People's 
>> Movement, USA)," "The New Flag/La Nueva Bandera," 
>> "Luis Quispe" and "Marcelina Ccorimanya."
>> 
>> Because of Agent Quispe's association with New York 
>> Transfer, including a Web site fraudulently called 
>> 'The People's War in Peru,' and an e-mail account on that 
>> server, MIM's past endorsements of New York 
>> Transfer as a resource for the oppressed 
>> objectively lent legitimacy to Agent Quispe and his 
>> phony 'MPP-USA.' MIM will no longer lend legitimacy 
>> to Agent Quispe in this way. You can now reach MIM 
>> at: mim-AT-mim.org
>> 
>> Change your bookmarks! Our web site has moved to:
>> 
>> http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM
>> 
>> If you would like more information about the Quispe 
>> plot and MIM's documented exposure, send us email 
>> to receive one article and information about how to 
>> get more. Or just subscribe to Maoist Sojourner 
>> from MIM Distributors, PO Box 3576, Ann Arbor, MI 
>> 48106-3576, $12 for 12 issues, and ask for the 
>> June, 1996 issue.
>> -- 
>> ## ##  ###  ## ##    MAOIST INTERNATIONALIST MOVEMENT
>> # # #   #   # # #    P.O. BOX 3576 ANN ARBOR MI 48106
>> #   #  ###  #   #    ---- mim-AT-nyxfer.blythe.org -----
>> 
>
>NY Transfer responds (Nov 4, 1996):
>
>Dear MIM:
>
>We're sorry to learn of your decision to move your electronic operation
>elsewhere.  
>
>Frankly, we think your position that our nonsectarian access policy
>consitutes endorsement of any of NY Transfer's member groups is absurd --
>as you well know, our slogan is "NY Transfer Follows NO Party Line."
>
>We do wonder how you can reconcile [your position] with your decision
>to move to etext, with its very eclectic membership of groups. Of course,
>etext's services are free, we believe. Perhaps it's okay in your value
>system to share access on the same server with political enemies as long
>as you don't pay for it.
>
>In any case, we'll be very sorry to see you go. Your use of the Internet
>has been a model for many other activists (including lquispe and the New
>Flag -- a group we originally welcomed to NY Transfer partly because of
>your referral and recommendation). We're disappointed that your political
>differences with this group have led you to move to another server, but we
>certainly understand your desire to cease any activity that you consider
>to be "liberalism." We are also sure you understand our position: to deny
>access to any other group because MIM disapproves of them would be
>completely contrary to our nonsectarian policy. 
>
>Because of our long-standing relationship with MIM we did not dismiss
>lightly your allegations about Lquispe and the New Flag, but investigated
>them seriously, both here and abroad. We were unable to find any evidence
>that supports your charges. On the contrary, we found the actions and
>accusations of some people (not MIM) who joined in the anti-quispe
>campaign to be unethical, disreputable and thoroughly dishonest. We have
>reached our conclusions, and you are free to reject them. 
>
>But NY Transfer cannot ever allow any one group, MIM included, to dictate
>who will be permitted access on our system. Such an expectation on your
>part is surprising and disappointing; it is also inappropriately
>authoritarian and completely unacceptable to us. 
>
>We were not aware that MIM considers itself a "Peruvian exile" 
>organization. We have always thought of you as a homegrown Amerikan
>radical movement. But regardless, far from choosing a "middle ground"
>between two groups, our policy has remained the same for years, and is
>quite uncompromising: we will not censor our members, restrict their
>access because of their political views, or engage in their sectarian
>squabbles, under any circumstances!
>
>Be assured that now and in the future, we will not hesitate to deal
>promptly with any threat if we believe a member of NY Transfer is a police
>agent, a provocateur, or attempting to do harm to our system or our
>Collective. 
>
>We are truly sorry you are leaving NY Transfer and we hope you enjoy the
>same care, attention, and excellence of service on etext that we have
>always tried to provide at NY Transfer. Best of luck to you.
>
>System Administrators
>NY Transfer News Collective/Blythe Systems
>
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