Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 15:29:18 +0100 (MET) From: malecki-AT-algonet.se (Robert Malecki) Subject: Re: M-I: Re: Workers-Communism > >[C'mon, Bob. Most of us go along with this. What exactly do you mean when >you accuse people of 'writing the working class off'?] Well Rolf, have you been watching the disciussion on MI? > >Bob says later: >Our Iranian friend accuses the left in general of missing the working class >and mostly carrying on sterile debates about historical fights. In a sense >this is true if one were to look at the very special conditions that evolved >out of the second world war and for our Iranian friend the very special >conditions in Iran with the Shah and the oil money. One of the basic >problems with the new left is that historically it a student petty-bougeois >based movement both in the west and in Iran. This was partially because of >the historical domination of the Stalinists and reformists in the workers >movement. And partially because of the post war boom economically and the >post war baby boom! > >[Yes, Bob. In a most significant sense IT IS TRUE - and often manifest on >this list too. I think people like the Lous are on about examining >precisely this topic, ie. *what are the special conditions that have >rendered socialism little more than a sterile debate just now*. I think >you see them as Stalinists (and I still don't know what Stalinism has come >to mean these days - unless the 'stage theory' of revolution is what you >mean - and I'd love more on this, as I also begin to suspect that >opposition to this doctrine forms a basis for Dave Bedggood's position??) >trying to come to grips with problems Stalinism itself created, but their >cyberseminar's focus on the *socio-economic* category - which you mention >yourself - is unfolding promisingly for mine. We should keep looking here. > But then, I am a petit bourgeois baby boomer ... Proyect in fact is using this discussion to beat his own Neo-Stalinist drum. And the real reason behind a lot of this stuff is in fact the demise of stalinism as a state power. Thus our lists see a desperate search for something to replace this with. Usually I say that people throw out the baby with the bath water. But in this case the bather died and babies are still swimming around in a desperate attempt to ideologically save them selves >from falling into the coffin. > >Perhaps I'm reading the society within which I live all wrong - but a >vanguard presupposes an army - not just an army of people in whose >objective interest the vanguard struggles, but an army who knows this. A >revolutionary vanguard must come from this army, and the army won't pick >'em until they know the nature of the struggle they're in. And right now, >right here, most of 'em don't. There's our priority today, I think. And >Hekmat's on to this. Helmat might be aware that the "army" is unaware. The problem is his political solution. Where he treats the political traitors of the class as anti-imperialist allies. It is sort of a stage theory of revolution of former Iranian maoists that want to put bluejeans on.. > >Back to the yuletide ale ... > >Merry Xmas, Rob.] Merry Christmas to you Rolf also and naturally the rest of the pack at Jefferson Village! I think i will watch a funny movie. Sort of keep in tune with the incredible funny things going on at Jefferson village! See you all after Christmas...I bet you just can't wait..... Bob -------------------------------------------------------- http://www.kmf.org/malecki/ Read the book! Ha Ha Ha McNamara, Vietnam-My Bellybutton is my Crystalball! COCKROACH, a zine for poor and workingclass people NOW ON LINE -------------------------------------------------------- --- from list marxism-international-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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