From: "Rosser Jr, John Barkley" <rosserjb-AT-jmu.edu>
Subject: Re: M-I: market socialism and fire insurance
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 17:21:24 -0500 ()


     I realize that LG is on vacation, but I am still 
waiting for him to say what Gorby's actual model was, if it 
was not Hungary.  His actually existing policies certainly 
emulated those in Hungary for the early years of his rule.
     BTW, I have worked as a computer programmer, but not 
for a long time.  Too boring.
Barkley Rosser
On Tue, 24 Dec 1996 15:04:11 -0500 (EST) Louis N Proyect 
<lnp3-AT-columbia.edu> wrote:


> On Tue, 24 Dec 1996, Rosser Jr, John Barkley wrote:
> 
> > case in general.  Neither of the Louises is quite 
> > willing to face up to the fact that market socialism 
> > can and does work, if implemented properly.  I think 
> > this has something to do with Louis P.'s outburst on 
> > pen-l, and was not due just to his obvious envy of 
> > academic economists.
> >      Happy holidays, everybody!
> 
> 
> Louis: What a joke! Does anybody think that Barclay Rosser would be
> posting all of that highly detailed information about Hungary and China
> to the Marxism list if having this at his fingertips was not part
> of his job? Here, you want some highly detailed technical information
> from me?:
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> In Perl, the variable that can be used to represent standard input is $_.
> In Sybase, the number of rows that are returned in an SQL statement can be
> limited through the use of the set rowcount command.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Big fucking deal. Do you think that if I wasn't paid to administer Unix
> based client-server applications, I would know about this sort of stuff.
> No way.
> 
> The same thing is true of you and all of those mandarins over on PEN-L. As
> a matter of fact, I'm going through an old issue now of Science and
> Society and I have Gil Skillman's article on Value Theory in front of me.
> Here is a sample tidbit: "The opinions of Mercier de la Riviere and
> Gillaume-Francois Le Trosne notwithstanding, Marx's presumption of
> price-value equivalence as the analytically primary basis for explaining
> surplus value is highly problematic."
> 
> I take one look at this sentence and want to throw the book out my 13th
> story window. Him and his references to Riviere and Le Trosne is academic
> babble. This is how he earns his salary. You earn your salary reading
> economic journals about places like China and Hungary. If you guys ever
> got downsized and had to go out and get a real job like the rest of
> society, I bet your knowledge of inflation figures in Hungary in 1969 or
> the opinions of Le Trosne would go right down the toilet. I could just see
> you two knuckleheads programming computers 8 hours a day (lately, 9) or
> busting your ass as a millwright and reading that sort of stuff when you
> get home.
> 
> To Godena's credit, he is much better informed on economics that most
> people on PEN-L, including yourself. My field is not economics, however.
> It is the history of the revolutionary movement. Right now I am looking at
> documents from the early Comintern to prepare an article on how wacky
> Zinoviev's organizational ideas were. They had nothing in common with
> Lenin's.
> 
> I will let Louis Godena continue to put a cork in your mouth, while I
> stick to the things I know best.
> 
> 
> 
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