From: dr.bedggood-AT-auckland.ac.nz
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:56:25 +0000
Subject: Re: M-I: Re: M-G: The Do's and Don'ts and Logic of Louis Go


> To:            marxism-general-AT-jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU
> From:          Zeynep Tufekcioglu <zeynept-AT-turk.net>
> Subject:       Re: M-I: Re: M-G: The Do's and Don'ts and Logic of Louis Godena
> Date:          Mon, 6 Jan 1997 01:11:59 +0000
> Reply-to:      marxism-general-AT-jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU



Dear Zeynep,

I'm sorry if you thought I included you as one of the " bosses" who run 
M-I.  Obviously you don't "run" M-I even as a moderator. But I accept 
you corrrection if I implied that.   I refer to those "bosses" who see themselves 
as setting the political agenda. Yes, I can  handle tough debate. And 
who sets the agenda should be a matter of who has the best arguments.  But both Proyect 
and Godena resort to methods  of intimidation with those whose arguments they reject. 
It seems that some others on the list think so too, most recently 
with Proyects joke about writing to someones boss, and Godena's 
attempt to defend your political reputation. However I for one don't 
want the moderators to warn them or anyone else for that matter.
I am for on uncensored list other than those who advocate fascisst 
views. Those who resort to abuse only expose themselves in the process. 

 Dave.


Dear Mr Bedggood,
> >theories cum under attack [ note how both Godena and Proyect rapidly 
> >resort to abuse when desperate for an argument] but also a US 
> 
> Correction number one. Louis Proyect is *not* a moderator. Jon Flanders,
> Louis Godena and I are the moderators.
> 
> 
> >this is a unfortunate marriage of threatened male egos when their pet 
> 
> Correction number two. I am a woman.
> 
> 
> >resort to abuse when desperate for an argument] but also a US 
> >chauvinism which you have picked up nicely. 
> 
> Correction number three. I write this from my house close to the Bosphorus
> Strait, Istanbul, Turkey. Not the US. Far from the US. Not far enough, but far.
> 
> 
> >I agree.  The bosses who run M-I are very `territorial'.  It think 
> 
> Correction number four. We *don't* run Marxism-International. 
> 
> 
> Most of the work in moderation was trying to keep the number of posts to
> three. There were a few warnings, and most of the list members have been
> very helpful. 
> 
> So far, we've not expelled anyone. We've not censored any political current.
> We've not asked anyone to tone down the political debate. Our rules are clear. 
> 
> If anyone has any problems with the way the list is moderated, feel free to
> contact the moderators or make your case publicly. But, please, don't assume
> that we moderate in such and such a way and then criticise a figment of your
> imagination. 
> 
> Also, Louis G. has, from day one, always been against expelling anyone, even
> warning them. You may not like the tone of his political arguments, but you
> can't cite one single case where he used, or attempted to use, or hinted to
> attempt to use, his position as a moderator in any argument. Jon Flanders,
> who has been very busy due to his job as a railroad worker, has had very
> little time to do the day-to-day checking of the lists. As a result, I get
> to do most of the "behind-the-scenes" reminding of rules, warnings, etc. 
> 
> Just because the two other moderators are male, you assume that they run the
> whole show, throwing around the weight of their "male egos". If anything is
> male chauvinism, this is.
> 
> Zeynep
> 
> 
> >I agree.  The bosses who run M-I are very `territorial'.  It think 
> >this is a unfortunate marriage of threatened male egos when their pet 
> >theories cum under attack [ note how both Godena and Proyect rapidly 
> >resort to abuse when desperate for an argument] but also a US 
> >chauvinism which you have picked up nicely.  How far back in US 
> >history does Godena go to determine who is, and who, is not "scrounging" 
> >of the US taxpayer/worker?
> >
> > 
> >
> >
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