File spoon-archives/marxism-international.archive/marxism-international_1997/97-02-05.012, message 46


Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 01:17:43 +0000
From: Joćo Paulo Monteiro <jpmonteiro-AT-mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: Re: M-I: : dialectical materialism


dr.bedggood-AT-auckland.ac.nz wrote:
>
> Gidday JP.  Is this yours?
>
> > The bourgeoisie takes part in the material and social relations of
> > production. It owns the means of production and purchases labour power
> > on the market with the purpose of making a profit that allows it to
> > accumulate more capital. Their ideas originate from this very material
> > practice, located in the very core of the process of the production of
> > social existence. If their representations of society are distorted,
> > this is because of the position it occupies there and the general
> > division between mental and manual labour. What's undialectical is to
> > suppose that all ideas must somehow originate unilaterally from the pure
> > clash of the hammer on the anvil, ascend upstairs to the bourgeoisie's
> > avid ears, then be shrewdly twisted upside down and re-envoyed down
> > again. Ah, the treacherous bastards. This looks like the magic bullet
> > theory on the JFK killing.
> >
>  If it is,  you should disown it fast. Its generalised garbage. The
> bourgeoisie do not get their ideas from their position in society or
> the division between mental and manual labour. Bourgeois ideology is
> reproduced by bourgeois social relations of production, i.e. the
> capital-labour relation, [who is talking about pure hammer and anvil
> except in your dreams?]which however presents itself in an inverted
> fetishised form as equal exchange relations. This is why the
> bourgeoisie can claim that workers are equal under capitalism because
> they sell their labour-power at its value, and why they also  claim their
> `fair' shares as the rewards of land and capital;  and, why the state
> MUST appear as relatively autonomous. That is, citizens are merely equal
> exchangers who leave the market place periodically to vote, which is
> another way of saying that they are alienated from one another...
> Time you went back to the basics of Chapter one Capital One.
> Dave.
> David Bedggood
>
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dr.bedggood-AT-auckland.ac.nz wrote:
>
> Gidday JP.  Is this yours?
>
> > The bourgeoisie takes part in the material and social relations of
> > production. It owns the means of production and purchases labour power
> > on the market with the purpose of making a profit that allows it to
> > accumulate more capital. Their ideas originate from this very material
> > practice, located in the very core of the process of the production of
> > social existence. If their representations of society are distorted,
> > this is because of the position it occupies there and the general
> > division between mental and manual labour. What's undialectical is to
> > suppose that all ideas must somehow originate unilaterally from the pure
> > clash of the hammer on the anvil, ascend upstairs to the bourgeoisie's
> > avid ears, then be shrewdly twisted upside down and re-envoyed down
> > again. Ah, the treacherous bastards. This looks like the magic bullet
> > theory on the JFK killing.
> >
>  If it is,  you should disown it fast. Its generalised garbage. The
> bourgeoisie do not get their ideas from their position in society or
> the division between mental and manual labour. Bourgeois ideology is
> reproduced by bourgeois social relations of production, i.e. the
> capital-labour relation, [who is talking about pure hammer and anvil
> except in your dreams?]which however presents itself in an inverted
> fetishised form as equal exchange relations. This is why the
> bourgeoisie can claim that workers are equal under capitalism because
> they sell their labour-power at its value, and why they also  claim their
> `fair' shares as the rewards of land and capital;  and, why the state
> MUST appear as relatively autonomous. That is, citizens are merely equal
> exchangers who leave the market place periodically to vote, which is
> another way of saying that they are alienated from one another...
> Time you went back to the basics of Chapter one Capital One.
> Dave.
> David Bedggood
>
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I figured you would be calling anytime soon.
Actually, I don't have much quarrel with what you say here. I have said
it myself
above and before, in the course of this same discussion. With your acute
sense
of purpose, you just don't get anything of what was it that I was
discussing with Andrew.
You have a problem that a friend of mine has diagnosed (on other cases)
as Artificially Induced Stupidity - AIS. It's a sectarian disease that
characterizes itself medico-pathologically by the patient introducing
repeatedly
his head into his anal orifice.
I won't discuss anything with you until you have proved to be completely
cured of this repelent habit.


Jo=E3o Paulo Monteiro



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