Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:43:52 -0500 (EST) From: Louis Proyect <lnp3-AT-columbia.edu> Subject: M-I: Time to Move On Gary McLennan is right. The Stalin vs Trotsky question is an utterly sterile one, at least in which the way it confronts us on this list. Let us recall that nearly a year ago the original Marxism list was split in two between Marxism-1 and Marxism-2. Marxism-2 tended to attract subscribers whose hatred for Stalin and for those who support Stalin was so deep that they could not abide being on the same list with them. Adolfo Olaechea was the main target of their hatred. I should qualify this by saying that the M-2 asylum seekers tended to be academics like Gerry Levy or individuals who feel comfortable in discussing theory rather than the real world. I said god bless them. I had told the Spoons Collective from day one that it is nuts to combine academicians and revolutionaries in the same forum. Give them a place to prattle on about Zizek and the Oshikoshi theorem. Let us have a space to discuss current events and answer challenges to classical Marxism. After the exodus to M-2, M-1 was left with revolutionaries and those academics who chose to leave their cap and gown at the door. M-1 was plagued with another set of problems, however. We found that there were a number of people, Trotskyists in particular, who not only didn't mind being on the same list with the dreaded Stalinists, but actually came into full bloom when they were in their presence. Like vampires near fresh blood. Adolfo Olaechea is an "arch-Stalinist" by his own admission. Louis Godena, one of our moderators, is "for" Stalin, but only in the sense that Isaac Deutscher, one of the most important Trotskyist thinkers of the 20th century, was "for" Stalin. Deutscher's main point was that Stalin was the only option open for an isolated Soviet state with a weakened working-class. The choice was not between Trotsky and Stalin in Deutscher's eyes, but between Stalin and imperialism. At any rate, this is not cheer-leading for Stalin. James P. Cannon, the leader of American Trotskyism, hated Deutscher's analysis. So did the Communist Party which could not accept anything except the sort of silly rah-rah business we heard from "klo_mckinsey" the other day. What's interesting is that Olaechea spends most of his time on the list trying to promote the cause of the Peruvian Communist Party rather than anything else. His posts on this subject are informative even when one disagrees with one or another of his conclusions. I don't expect he would have it any other way. Meanwhile Godena's passion is providing informed class analyses of a wide range of countries, from Zaire to Afghanistan to Vietnam, drawing from solid academic and business publications. His efforts are to be applauded. It is really impressive to see a millwright spending so much time on educating the rest of us, while the academics on the list--Levy and Zarembka in particular--seem content to recycle threadbare notions that show precious few new insights. Do they have a different set of standards when it comes to educating their own students, I wonder? Jerry seems to respond when challenged. When I pressed him on the squatters movement, he actually came up with something worthwhile. He must have splashed some cold water in his face and took a anti-obsession pill. Good for him. Now if we can only get him to extinguish the fire in his breast that is sparked off whenever he spots a post with my name attached. Zarembka is another story. He is not really socialized into the list and probably has very mixed feelings about the whole business. On one hand, he probably likes being around people who are genuinely committed to socialism. On the other hand, he is disturbed that there are actually people on the list who are predisposed to Stalin: "Oh, dear. What shall I do? Doesn't everybody understand that Stalin was a dictator?" Gee whiz, Paul, we do appreciate your acting as Paul Revere on the list--"The Stalinists are coming! The Stalinists are coming!" But enough is enough. The only thing I would ask is for smart people like Mark Jones to try to contain their anger when confronted by the Stalinophobia of a Zarembka or a Levy. Stalinophobia is like any other phobia. It does not respond to words, but to some other more more fundamental treatment. I know this from experience. I have a phobia about pigeons. When I was a toddler, a flock of pigeons attacked me. They left me drenched in poop and I have never been the same. When I hear their odious cooing, I break out in a cold sweat no matter how far away the rotten beasts are. I urge Mark to follow the high road. Ignore the Stalinophobes and concentrate on current topics in the class struggle. Debates over Value theory, Trotsky vs Stalin have produced very little useful and new insights on these Spoons list. People like to worry over these matters because it is an escape from the messy world of politics. It is what my psychiatrist calls "avoidance", which I am very good at. Why analyze the prospects for Chinese socialism after the death of Deng when you can take another shot at the Transformation problem? Nearly have the gosh-darned thing licked. Why study the civil war in Zaire when you can lay down on the ground, smack your fists against the pavement, and cry out, "Oh, Stalinist pefidy!" Finally, a word on the Trotskyists. We have been very good at ignoring the Trotskyists since M-I was formed. Malecki, Beddggoodd and Rodwell would love nothing better than to fight with "Mensheviks", but the only person around right now who wants to step forward and humor them is Paul Zaremka who innocently asks Malecki, "Why am I a Menshevik?" Zarembka has been around long enough to observe Malecki cursing the entire list from top to bottom. The word Menshevik coming from the foul-mouthed and stupid Malecki is actually a complement. My suggestion to Paul and everybody else. If somebody calls you a Menshevik, then ignore him or her. This term is not used in the way it was used in the time of Lenin. It is instead the very worst curse word in the Marxist lexicon. Rodwell, Malecki and Beddggoodd have no other purpose on this list except to curse people who don't agree with their particular ideology. There is no reason to lend them any credibility by trying to defend yourself from their curses. Quarantine is in order. Louis Proyect --- from list marxism-international-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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