From: m-14970-AT-mailbox.swipnet.se Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 10:11:25 +0100 Subject: M-I: No way our history includes Stalin, Mao, & Kautsky! Carrol C makes a gloriously inclusive declaration: >We have to accept *our* history, >however we judge some or many of its details. And our history includes >Stalin, Mao, Ho, Kim (and also Kautsky et al) So we've just got to take the good with the bad, eh? And ignore the fact that *our* history includes organized, explicit alternatives to all these treacherous leaders! That revolutionary alternatives were worked out and proposed every step of the way against the Stalinists and others in their attempts to choke the emancipation of the working class with nationalist, class-collaborationist and bureaucratic policies. Carrol is confusing the history of socialism as a broad historical movement, in which the treacherous leaderships not only of Stalinists and Social-Democrats, but also the not so much treacherous as openly class-hostile leaderships of social liberals and petty-bourgeois nationalists (eg Peronism in Argentina) have a given place, and the history of revolutionary Marxism, in which it is inadmissible to include these traitors and enemies as part of "our" tradition. They are against our tradition. Their policies destroy our tradition. As long as Carrol and others with him insist on the historical "unity" of Stalinism and Bolshevism-Leninism they won't get anywhere and they'll be at the mercy of charlatans like Adolfo O brandishing their snippets of Lenin the way Pardoners brandished the bones of Christ in the Middle Ages. Carrol showed that he doesn't react to Stalinist methods when he swallowed Louis P's smear of me as the greatest liar ever produced by the Trotskyist movement. Louis didn't even specify what the lie was supposed to be. But Carrol didn't react at all to that. All he did was complain that Louis had responded to one of my posts. We've got to *regain* our real revolutionary tradition -- and that means dumping counter-revolutionary usurpers of the names of Marx and Lenin. Cheers, Hugh --- from list marxism-international-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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