From: Zeynep Tufekcioglu <zeynept-AT-turk.net>
Subject: Re: M-I: Affirmative Action - correction
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 07:43:22 +0200


-oops, one sentence in my last post was wrong, I clicked on send without
correcting. It's the first sentence, apologies.-

I agree with Jon about the post. Adolfo once again clearly demonstrates he
cares about nothing but his own ego by this post, although I also agree that
it should have been forwarded. Not that the content deserves to, obviously,
if he wants to discuss anything with people in this pigsty, he should come
back. Rather because, that man, like people of his reactionary creed, are
generally their own own worst enemy and the more their views are expressed
the more people can see what they really are behind all the
"good-for-writing-satires". 

But, I agree with Jon it may be a good idea to discuss affirmative action.
Obviously, Adolfo's ridiculous charge, -the same charge we hear to no
coincidence from reactionary bourgeois types and bosses- might at least be
useful for starting an interesting discussion about various types of
oppression and exploitation that couple with and worsen class oppression -
like national, racist and sexist oppression.

Zeynep


At 23:05 22/3/1997 EST, you wrote:
> >>  Instead of proletarian revolutionaries struggling to fulfil IDENTICAL
ROLES
>IN THE COMMON STRUGGLE AGAINS THE IMPERIALIST STATE TO THOSE OF THEIR MENFOLK,
>they are trying to educate the working women into plaintive and tearful eternal
>victims deserving of  special bourgeois state-sponsored and imperialist state
>enforced larguesse and privileges! <<Adolpho O.
>
> Jon Flanders:
>
>  Louis, if Adolpho wishes to defend rubbish like this about affirmative
>action, he ought to come back to this list. I don't think we should play
>some sort of list-tag.
>
>  I do thank you for posting it though. It makes it clear to me that his
>viewpoint understands nothing about the dynamic of the struggle for
>affirmative action in the workplace, and its importance for all oppressed
>sectors of capitalist society. 
>
>  To think that women are ever going to get to play on an even playing
>field in the workplace, without a battle for affirmative action which will take
>on the good-ole-boy nepotism network that preserves all the good jobs for men,
>is absurd. This has nothing to do with educating women to be tearful
victims. As
>my companion and wife could tell you, it involves searing battles with working
>men who side with the bosses again and again in defense of THEIR special
>privileges. The women who carry on this battle day in and day out get as tough
>as nails. Victims indeed!
>
>  The only tears I see being shed are by backward male workers crying 
>about their uncle not being able to get them into a place 'cause the 
>company had to hire women and minorities. Jon Flanders, using OzWin 2.12.1
>
>
>
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