Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 16:04:11 -0500 (EST) From: Louis Proyect <lnp3-AT-columbia.edu> Zeynep, defending "Utica Rose's" participation: "A number of list subscibers have made similar comments in the past, though not directed at the same political stripe and with various degrees of hostility. I would like to remind everyone that this is an open list and all revolutionary and progressive people are welcome, as long as they follow the basic guidelines stipulated in the rules. Statements suggesting anything to the contrary are not welcome here." Louis: Maybe I'm missing something, but this is the sort of thing that Utica Rose says on a daily basis: "for folks who are presumably in support of confiscating inheritances, watch them carefully tend their own patrimony. the marx-engels-lenin-stalin-mao crowd are nothing other than working class patriarchs. their Authority drapes a shroud over the murders, betrayals, persecutions and prosecutions of workers, students, intellectuals and progressives. their fellow travellers have a cottage industry of prevarications and outright lights to defend the shroud." I find nothing "progressive" about this. This is plain old fashioned red-baiting. Not only is it not progressive, it violates the list rule to make an "Active effort to keep repetions to a minimum." Not only is "Utica Rose" a disgusting red-baiter, it does nothing but repeat this kind of red-baiting garbage day in and day out without let-up. The notion that "Utica Rose" is a progressive, to put it bluntly, is a crock of shit. Zeynep goes out of her way to make "Utica Rose" feel at home, while people like Gary McLennan flee in disgust. Currently we have an unmoderated list and a sadly unmoderated one at that. It is only moderated when Zeynep finds some time to put in the effort. Jon Flanders meanwhile seems to have zero interest in the health of the list. For a couple of months Zeynep posted once a month and now it seems to be Jon's turn. I wonder if one of our problems is that we have a board of moderators who apparently lack consensus on some basic issues. I wonder if Louis G. would consider "Utica Rose" a "progressive". If "Utica Rose" is a progressive, then the term lacks meaning except in an Orwellian sense. By the way, if you want to take a look at how a list should be moderated, take a look at PEN-L. Michael Perlman is engaged with list threads on a day-to-day basis. He helps to steer the discussion and does a fine job of it. He doesn't disappear for a month at a time. Yesterday I opened my inbox and found the usual rants from Rahul and Jerry Levy (the George Orwell twins) and Utica Rose. Even after the nasty "Stalinists" have fled, we are left with their residual bleating about Stalinism. On top of that we got the usual crap from Malecki and Rodwell. I regard it as a slap in the face to this list to hear Zeynep describe "Utica Rose" as a "progressive". I don't miss Mark Jones or Adolfo, but if we are going to end up with a mailing-list that can't make distinctions between the red-baiter "Utica Rose" and genuine progressives, we are in deep shit. --- from list marxism-international-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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