Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 08:40:44 +0200
From: Robert Malecki <malecki-AT-algonet.se>
Subject: M-I: Against the Newest Purge Attempt at Jefferson Village!


I see the neo Stalinist Menshevik crowd (with Louis Proyect and Carrol at
the head of the Pack) is once again howling for Malecki's blood! This time
on the Marxist-International List at Jefferson Village.In yet another
attempt to find organisational solutions to their political problems. And
it is quite obvious that this campaign is something that has been planned
behind the scenes for a long time. Purges of outspoken poor and working
class people and the various "Trotskyists" tendencies has been the theme
song of this crowd since arriving at Jefferson village nearly a year ago.
(See archives of both M1 and M-I)

In fact one of the things that has amazed me is how threatened this crowd
feels by one poor and working class man and the newspaper Cockroach!
Actually it is not the man or the newspaper, but the politics he represents
that they fear. But the fact that their is a poor and working class guy on
this list who fights proudly for Trotskyism in the best way he can has sent
them hovering into all kinds of backroom discussions and cliches and
planning FOR OVER A YEAR NOW in order to make this purge. So far they have
been unsuccessful. (Although many very vicious and unprincipled attempts
have been made not in the least Proyect's painting Malecki up as a cop and
agent provacateur and going all over the net with this stuff and in fact
throwing shit at anti war militants like Phillip Berrigan and Liz
McCallister in the process) In the new "crossposting" rule they see there
chance. Well, Malecki says here and now that M-I's attempts to gag free
debate by forbidding cross-posting and polenization of the lists is
criminal. Communists are for the fullest and freest debate on all subjects.
However we do support the neccessity of a three post limit on certain lists
for economic reasons. But Trotskyists will not be gagged by a little group
of sniveling neo-Stalinist Menshevik intellectuals from defending the
fullest possible open discussion on Internet of questions facing the
International Proletariat.(Naturally this does not apply to giving free
speech to facsists!)

But to forbid cross-posting (on a list that has a three post limit!) is in
fact putting up a sign saying DON'T DISCUSS and on principle must be fought
against by all those claiming to be Communists or Socialists. Communists
refuse to be silenced by organisational manervres or anything else!
Communists are for the fullest possible discussion on all the lists 
and in fact a revolutionary integration and polenisation of the lists where
possible!

By the way. I notice that no howl is up when the neo Stalinists post Mark
Jones here. Or various characters post to thraxis. Or some of the women on
the list cross post to Marxism-feminism. But I do notice that it is always
the neo-Stalinist Menshevik crowd who through organisational measures are
constantly trying to gag people or get them thrown off the list! I also
notice that the neo-Stalinists did everything in their power to keep
Aldolfo and his crowd on the list despite the fact that Aldolfo was making
murder threats and theatening to break the moderaters bones and get the
goods on her activities in Turkey and spread it all over the net. Now
talking about a sense of purportion appears to be just a bit ridiculous.

And if the moderaters buy this stuff. Well I must honestly say that you are
supporting the very same people who joined in the themesong in order to
break Zeynep's bones and spread shit about her all over the net. Talk about
unprincipled combinations! WOW. In fact these people were begging that
Aldolfo be let back in! On their knees begging!

I republish here for those who are new to the list the declaration I made
when the M-I and M-G were created. This was in fact the product of around
the same combination which appears to be lining up now to purge Malecki.And
I would never ask anyone on this list to beg Malecki's case. But I do
expect you to fight in a principled manner against all manovres by anybody
who uses organisational manovres and "special rules" in order to gag or
stop the free flow of information to lists on the Internet.

Finally if the Neo-Stalinists Menshevik crowd are successful this time I
demand that the Communists on M-I continue to cross-post to M-G so that
Malecki can still take part in the discussions.
 
Stop the neo Stalinist-Menshevik purge!

For the fullest possible open discussion on Internet!

Warm Regards
Bob Malecki

Jefferson Village from a Communist Workers eyes!

Analisis of the Struggle at Jefferson Village!

As it appears that the open "Marxism M1 list at Jefferson Village will soon
end and be replaced with the line of many small moderated groups under the
control of the present majority and powers that be in this American
centered creation I find it perhaps in place to give my views on the
struggle that has been taking place, the forces and powers in back of that
struggle in relation to creating a communist Internationalist List for all
trends in the workers movement and poor and working class people be they
red, white, black or yellow can discuss our common future.

At the beginning of the present struggle and concious turn by the present
majority and powers at Jefferson Village I wrote the following:

"Marxism" at Jefferson Village "reorganises!"

Well now it is official. The spoon at Jefferson village has decided to 
reorganise the list and discussion. Naturally, like class struggle, all 
things change. The actors move in different directions and the battles 
draw lines even here in cyberspace.

Despite the rosy picture presented by spoon as "reorganisation" one must 
say that the reorganisation is something that is connected to the history 
of M1 and M2 lists.

The people involved, at least those who have been here for a while, is the 
dynamic force in this new reorientation. These people including myself is 
the human material with all of its various ideological and living experience 
in interaction which has brought about the present state of things.

The remarkable think about this process is how the cyberspace is being used 
to enforce all of these political and personal *real* life experiences. 
Thus trying to turn this media into deviding up this human material into 
various files where they can survive in peaceful bliss without being 
contaminated by a virus from the other rich political and personal 
backgrounds of those who claim to be "marxist" orientated. A family of 
revolutionaries that can exist, at least in cyberspace, in seperate 
little rooms where they feel comfortable.

Sort of like packing lollipops in individual or group plastic bags to keep 
them sterile for the uninformed consumer...Even better would be the history 
of the "new" leftwhich has led a gruopie existence especially amongst 
intellectual circles for a rather long time. 

It appears that the spoon is looking for organisational and moderation 
forms to strenghen this process of groupie existence of the left on 
Internet. In other words a little fack or room for each member or family 
to move into and be happy with their convictions.

How quaint! I think that it is a very logical outcome of the last months 
of struggle. Especially amongst the intellectuals on this list whos politics 
is connected to presenting their views to small groups of polite people who 
don,t have to worry about where the next meal is coming from or have been 
unemployed for months or years.

However i defend free speech and even the right to live in isolation and 
groupie existence even for those that prefer this alternative. However i 
do intend to subscribe to all of the new groups and try to follow the rules 
in order to make life uncomfortable for my political opponents. Or will i 
be prevented from doing this by my political opponents? Thus proving;

That  the present "reorganisation" is not more then a physical expression 
of the present groupie and individualist life that our "marxists" on this 
list appear to prefer in private little rooms rather then and open forum 
where ideas can clash.

Because it is quite clear there are certain individuals that are trying to 
use this reorganisation as a tool to gag people from participating in the 
debate. Naturally i defend the right of people to discuss in anyway they 
want to the questions facing those who claim to be "marxist"..

However to organise the discussion along the sectarian and groupie 
principals that the left has so long been doing in real life and raising 
it to a principle under the guise of "reorganisation" would be criminal. 
In fact, only a broad and open discussion with all political tendencies 
with people from all walks of life can show the way forward.

We have nothing to lose but our chains and the chains that those who will 
gag a free and open discussion will put on us under the guise of moderation 
and reorganisation. The best thing that can happen to people is to be 
confronted with living ideas and politics is through and open clash on 
and open forum where moderation is directed only against facist 
provacateurs and *real* cops!

Those who need to hide behind closed and moderated doors have something 
to hide or are afraid that there politics can not stand up to open and 
real confrontation are the only ones who gain by building walls around
themselves with this new orientation by the spoon. This i,m afraid, despite
all the rhetoric, is the underlying reason for the new reorganisation of
the lists.

Now as we draw near to the end of the m1 list at Jefferson Village this
analisis has proved quite true! But one should add that in the process of
the struggle the lines became clearer and sharper as the actors took
positions and began to carry out the battle which is presently raging.

But it also has showed some interesting turns that raise some important
questions for Communist and poor and working class people coming on line to
the Internet. One of the first questions is posed by the clear domination
of Americans on the lists of Jefferson Village and that the technology for
carrying on a discussion is in the hands of a few who can pull the plug at
any time. Thus on a small scale Jefferson village has showed that power (!)
is in the hands of those who control the buttons and tecnology. 

Thus Internet being a bougeois media controlled by the capitalist and
imperialists internationally can pull the plug in the future in a period of
wars and revolutions. 

The Americans and the present reformist and centrist petty bougeois
majority of new leftists can it appears pull the plug when they see that
their politics are being attacked from the left or by anyone who threatens
the present majority with the finger on the button.

Naturally if one were to go back over a period of time on the M1 list, one
would see the first struggle around the creation of M2 by the ivory tower
who reacted to the Peruvian Stalinists walking in and fight for their line.
But also some of the "Trotskyists" trends who took up the Mantle to do
battle. The creation of M2 by spoon was a trial and escape hatch for the
petty bougeois envionment that existed and felt threatened by the Peruvian
Maoists with their pick up the gun rhetoric. But when some of the
Trotskyists currents took on the maoists and others that were left
a new devision took place with the more reformists and right wing trends
left on M1 became more enraged and desperate as the struggle developed.
Because they had no political answers they turned to slander against the
proletarian wing of the list and went outside to the spoon and m2 in order
to block with the petty bougeois intellectualls to present the new line of
many moderated lists. Thus a block with the petty bourgeois ivory tower
component on Spoon and M2 joined hands with the right wing which was left
on M1 in order to stop the Stalinists and Trotskyist trends by gagging,
exclusion, expulsion and so on.

It was the classical reaction by the right, center wing on M1 and the petty
bougeoisie on spoon and m2 to defend themselves from Internet destruction
on the lists. With the power in their hands they did not need ideas to win
the struggle of ideas, just rules and the power over the technology at
Jefferson Village which the Americans and the right wing have at this point.

However the battle has only begun on Internet. It will continue and grow
just as in real life  the reformists and centrists betray poor and working
class people and the petty bougeoisie become more historical as the crisis
deepens. The poor and working class will have to create their own organs of
power along with the Bolshevik leadership which must take form if we are
going to take power in the future. One of those goals will be to wrip out
of the hands the control of this media by capitalists and imperialists, but
also their lackies the petty bougeoisie who dominate and control this media.

In the final analisis that is what it all comes down too. The dictatorship
of poor and working class people over this media or the other side. There
is no way for compromise. Class war is class war everywhere and on this
media too. So nothing changes that concrete fact now does it.

Towards a Communist Internationalist list for poor and working class people
open to all under present conditions of power in the hands of our class
enemies and political traitors must be seen as a gift, if at all possible,
under the present circumstances. A gift that can be given and taken away by
those in power. Don,t ever forget it (!) and rely on your own power in the
struggle. What the capitalist or reformist and centrists traitors can give,
they can take away at their whim. Because they have the power in their
hands and if threatened will use that power! The point is to change it by
fighting for workers governments everywhere that will expropriate the
expropriaters including this media.

Warm Regards
Bob Malecki








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