Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 20:25:04 +0100 From: Lew <Lew-AT-dialogues.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: M-I: "democracy" In article <970420052618_74742.1651_EHL50-1-AT-CompuServe.COM>, neil <74742.1651-AT-CompuServe.COM> writes > >Some parliamentarians (a la Lew of the SPGB >and a couple others) have been misquoting >Engels and using Marx quotes to "back up" >parliamenary cretinism in a most vulgar and >a-historical manner . > Marx and Engels' criticism of "parliamentary cretinism" was directed at those who saw parliament as some kind of end in itself, or substitute for class consciousness. But I have not argued for that position, and I still think you do not understand my position. > >Again not to be talmudic, but considering all the (mainly) workers >blood that has flowed from overestimation and illusions sowed by >fake marxist trends in the democracy of the ruling class in the 20th >cent. and the promotionof all sorts of wonders and 'miracles' if only the > workers just learn to stick to (bourgeois controlled) "civilized" methods >of struggle in elections , lawyers, etc. is horrifying. > There is a false dichotomy at work here. Many opponents of reformism argue that parliamentary politics has led workers parties astray and that political power for socialism can only be won through an armed uprising. So the reform or revolution controversy resolves itself into parliament versus insurrection, in which both sides assume that parliamentary action *must* be reformist. But this is a false conclusion. There is no reason why parliament cannot be used by a class conscious socialist majority, to (as Marx and Engels put it in the Communist Manifesto) "win the battle of democracy." This has never been tried. > >Socialists and militants want to see the class consciuness and >struggles rebound and grow, But elections today actually retard ' >any real militant anti-capitalist politics and action. Theyare also elitist >and condescending , dropping little ballot papers in a box, >almost like religlious people receive the sacraments. The >message is passive from the ballot - "dont organize yourselves, let >us politicians and other know it all do-gooders get into high >office and we will set things right." THE BIG LIE! > Of course, if you trust in politicians you will be let down, and elections can be passive, just like anything else. Workers do need to organise for change, and a good indicator of that desire for change is via elections. >The main thing for Marxists/socialists is to go to the ordinary >and decent majority of the workers and get involved >with our compatriots at the point of production and >at the community level and help the fight backs that pop up >to strenghten & grow, become more militant , well >organized and politically /ideologically anti-capitalist. >As workers get more experience and hence become >more politicized big openings will favor those who >fight with the class and are open and honest with >the workers. > Agreed, but... >A Revolutionary world party for workers socialism >can then be set afoot from the class struggles and agitational >groups inside the class. > Historically, workers councils have been favoured by those parties who see them as a way of being able to influence the course of workers struggles. In other words, they are capable of being manipulated. This was true of the Bolsheviks in Russia in 1917 and elsewhere. It reveals the very real problem of this approach to politics. All the problems laid at the door of the parliamenary approach are applicable in the smaller-scale councillist approach. Experience confirms this. Because of the vanguardist contempt for "democracy" (note it is always in inverted commas) councils end up fatally compromised. Many of the criticisms made against syndicalism - that it is sectional and potentially divisive - are also applicable here. -- Lew --- from list marxism-international-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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