File spoon-archives/marxism-international.archive/marxism-international_1997/marxism-international.9709, message 145


Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 01:21:29 -0400
From: malecki-AT-algonet.se (Robert Malecki)
Subject: Re: M-I: The need for mutual respect


OK, if Proyect wants to start a flame war then let it be..And such a lovely 
header coming from a known cop baiter (who was forced to apologize) ...Let 
us look at the respect Proyect is claiming here with his petty bougeois 
social castration line directed at those horrible prolos. Yesterday as many 
many other times Proyect has stuped to cop/baiting and viscious slander 
under the guise of defending the list started throwing his version of shit 
all over the place. Malecki as usual getting the brunt but even Godena, 
Zeynep, John and Karl find a slot in Proyects little world..Only to today 
where he tries to cover his tracks with some wierd sort of political 
clarification..

Sure Proyect,

Lets go back to the heydays of "Marxism". Where everybody were "comrades".
Forget the demise of the second International. Forget the October 
Revolution. Forget the Mensheviks. Forget Stalinism. Forget neo Stalinism etc..

One big happy family of "comrades"..

And Andy did on this list quite openly defend the line of free speech for 
"fascists"
and this is a blood line and a class line even in cyberspace. Let him and 
now Proyect try letting the fascists in here and just see what happens. I 
garantee that I will have it all over the net in less then five minutes. And 
I garantee that I and others will do everything to close M-I down! I 
promise.....Because it goes far beyond a debate among "Socialists"....And 
this position is hardly just a comradely discussion it means the blood of 
poor and working class people and Andy is on the other side of the 
barricades defending democratic rights for fascists! He is and enemy of the 
proletariat on this point and should be soundly attacked for his position. 
Because in the final analis all these words actually are connected to DEEDS!

And the truth is Proyect you are a Menshevik on the party question and neo- 
Stalinist on politics. Your entire history is the defense of the SWP gone 
from Trotskyism to reformism to today of being the speechmaker of Fidel 
Castro...And you defend those who are close to your own political trajectory?
I notice you picked Andy as your latest "comrade"! Pretty difficult to use 
Lou Godena, Zeynep and John these days after your latest ravings...

And my "comrades" on this list are very few! I have a certain amount of 
respect for the "Trotskyists" on this list. But my comrades are poor and 
working class people and not the intellectual crowd and especially you with 
your nose stuck so far up your ass that of late you turn to social 
castration to defend the little circle of settlers when the Indians walk 
in...Naturally this is a political weakness of mine (usually called 
workerism) and it was born just in the new left who historically patronize 
the working class in words and socially castrate them in deeds just as 
Proyect in a most viscious manner is trying to do here. No wonder poor and 
working class people at best are very suspicious of these high browed 
assholes coming with their version of "Socialist" politics as if they were 
fucking missionaries dealing out candy to children! 

Naturally if these "Socialists" actually some day wind up out in a 
demonstration or picket line  on the same side (not neccessarily 
garanteed)of poor and working class people I will defend their right to 
peddle their Menshevik garbage just as I would here on this list..

But you the neo-Stalinist Menshevik that your are use the United front as a 
tool to get your political opponents not through any kind of political 
arguements but through a history of cop/agent baiting which now has turned 
into a question of petty bougeois table manners...Actually two sides of the 
same coin. And intellectual gone berserk who sees his main enemy in Prolos 
like that horrible Malecki.

And finally stop dragging Lenin and Trotsky through the mud. I am quite sure 
they would make short work of your "comrades" on this list. In reality the 
line of we are all "comrades" is a cover for the post Stalinist and new left 
to grovel in the same rotten politics that you have always represented and 
in reality means the defeat after defeat after defeat of the workers 
movement historically..In fact you use Trotsky and Lenin not to fight for 
revolutionary politics and line but exactly the opposite..

At least Andy is honest. You pal are a despicable ex SWP reformist turned sour.
You stupe to cop/baiting and petty bougeois Social castration, personalism 
and slander..You are and obstacle to anything that could be considered 
helpful for poor and working class people and at best suck up to either 
popular front politics in Latin and Central America and the bankrupt 
politics of the FSLN and the Stalinist Castro regime. These days you are a 
cheerleader for the likes of Kabila and his crowd and always on the make for 
new "comrades" to capitulate too...

Itr makes me so proud that people like you act the way you do. I just must 
be doing something right! So chirp on Proyect. You can fool some of the 
people some of the time and your little campaign of cop baiting and now 
slander and social castration only shows your real character..

This prolo has a thick skin and a real base of reality to live and thrive in 
out in the real world. You can only get away with these kind of antics just 
on a list like this in cyberspace. Walk into a trade union meeting and you 
would last about five minutes. In fact I doubt if they would let you over on 
the other side of the Brooklyn bridge!

Warm regards
Bob Malecki

After finishing this letter I saw Lou Godena's latest. What has Proyect have 
to say about this. It is explicitly clear that Godena understands what all 
these words mean in today's real world connected to the "fascist" debate. 
However I think Lou is a bit one sided. I think that the Islamic 
fundementalists like the Hamas backed by Iran certainly could be as viscious 
as the Zionist if they got the upper hand. That is why we fight for a class 
solution through proletarian revolution in the Middle East to sweep away all 
this philth..
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