Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 00:21:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: louisgodena-AT-ids.net (Louis R Godena)
Subject: Re: M-I: Zionism's Willing Executioners & antisemitism




Neil Fettes writes:


> Louis Godena's brief  elaboration of the crimes 
>of political  Zionist movement  waging  bloody  campaigns,
>on Arabs in Palestine is accurate . But he  seems to have 
>politically debased himself and his own trend by lumping
>these crimes  together as the work of "all Jews". 


Neil, I did not say the crimes of Zionism were the work of "all Jews".  I do
believe, however, that there has not been enough of a dissent from American
Jews in particular to the overwhelming evidence of Zionist crimes committed
in the Middle East and Africa in particular.  If I were Goldhagen, I might
fashion a theory about innate Jewish racism (hence my thread title).  I am
opposed to the Goldhagens and their second-rate imitators like our friend
from Middle Tennessee, or wherever he's from.  Therefore, I reject
categorically, this notion of collective guilt.   


>As a mass trend , US  Christain fundamentalist  outfits
> support and egg-on the Zionist state  for  even more 
>repression , all in the name of the Religionism as a 
>clever and powerful cloak of bourgeois ideology. 
>But using Louis's reasoning, they too , must be (secret) Jews!


Neil, you must have been taking courses in logic from your buddy down at
Middle Tennessee, whose own rambling, verbose, incohate rantings are always
quick to point out the intellectual inferiority of his opponents.  The
Zionist state does not need to be "egged on" by "US Christian
fundamentalists".  That is not the impetus for their criminal acts, rather,
it is their fascist ideology.


>But it's not too fashionable in the US left swamp to attack
> Christianity and its material/social history  , better and more
> fruitful and demagogic to nail "all Jews".


This is more fucking nonsense.  There has rarely been a critique of the role
of the Jew in American society from a Left perspective.  Marx provided a
social critique of European Jewry.  Lenin performed a similar service for
the Russian Jew.  There is nothing intrinsically racist or anti-Semitic in
formulating a class theory about ethnic or racial groups and their role in
capitalist society. 

>Louis G's statements  about the  Jews  intrinsically being 
>harbingers of wars is shocking  coming from one who 


More nonsense.  I said that, given the history of the Jewish people, I could
never imagine the Jewish people at peace.  I know there will never be any
peace in occupied Palestine, as long as the Jew occupies Palestinian land,
and there shouldn't be.  The Palestinians will never consent to ruled by
Jews, regardless of how many Mercedes Tel Aviv buys Arafat.


>Jews , as are other peoples  have a distinct but varied history,
>this  should be dealt with as such  using the method of 
>historical and dialectical materialism and not with Mr. Godena's 
> "leftist" version of biological determinism....


There is nothing "biologically deterministic" about my views at all.
Indeed, I opposed Goldhagen's racialist explanation for German anti-Semitism
and its implications in fashioning a new Jewish Super Race, free to lay
waste to and to plunder vastly "inferior" peoples of color.


Louis Godena





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