Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 15:39:00 -0400 From: Louis Proyect <lnp3-AT-columbia.edu> Subject: M-I: Reply to Sid Chatterjee Sid Chatterjee: This is a very good question, the relation between social democracy and fascism (and Rakesh, welcome back) which Louis P and others are refusing to see and analyze. Louis P implies that this leads to sectarianism. It is true that sectarianism is a danger at one pole but on the other pole there lurks opportunism. How to navigate a path between these two precipices? Louis Proyect: The relation between fascism and social democracy is the same that exists between the bourgeoisie and working class in general: class antagonism despite the pro-capitalist sentiments of the official leadership. In Germany, during the rise of Hitler, the class antagonism was raised to the highest level and no mercy was shown to the opportunist leaders. When the Nazis took power, they tortured, jailed and murdered social democrats, ranks and leaders alike. There is a class explanation for this. The Social Democracy was the party of the Germany trade union movement. The bourgeoisie in Germany (Krupp, Thyssen, et al) sought to destroy the trade union movement and the left parties so as to maximize the surplus product created through labor. They wanted to reduce wages, so as to increase profits. The Socialists and Communists represented the class interests of the proletariat in an imperfect manner. The bourgeoisie turned to the Nazis when the traditional parties could not rule effectively any more. This was the way economic crisis was resolved. Sid Chatterjee: In Nicaragua, the ex-social democrats like Daniel Ortega have said that given a chance once again, they would not carry out the land-reform program or weaken it considerably. Tomas Borges (a critic of "Stalinism" although labeled one by the free press) has become a millionaire. In El Salvador, Joaquim Villalobos has become an anti-worker right wing reactionary. Villalobos may have been involved in the murder of the poet Roque Dalton. Louis Proyect: This is a muddled version of Central American politics past and present. Let me try to sort things out for Sid. Daniel Ortega was a Sandinista. The political program of the Sandinista movement was drafted by its founder Carlos Fonseca in the 1960s under the impact of the Cuban revolution. The document reflects the desire to create a Cuba-like society in Nicaragua, with considerations to its concrete features of Nicaraguan society. Ortega, during the time he supported the historical document of Fonseca was not a social democrat. He was a revolutionary socialist, as the CIA clearly understood. What is a Central American social democrat? Look to the south of Nicaragua and you will get your answer: Costa Rica. Costa Rica was dubbed the "Sweden of Central America" and social democrats in the United States lambasted Ortega for not following the Costa Rican road. With respect to Borge's "anti-Stalinism", I don't have a clue what Sid is talking about. Borge's faction of the FSLN styled itself as a practitioner of "people's war" and identified with the Vietnamese Communist Party. Finally, what evidence does Sid have that Villalobos is a "right wing reactionary"? While this is entirely possible, I tend to doubt it. Villalobos, who was the leader of the Salvadoran Communist Party, now supports bourgeois democracy. The real right wing reactionaries in El Salvador have ties to the oligarchy that owns ninety percent of the land. Has Villalobos switched party affiliations and joined the party of D'Aubisson, the still-dead murdering fascist? This would be news to me. Finally-finally, on the murder of Roque Dalton. This took place around 20 years when the forces who would become the FMLN were steeped in the sort of sectarian madness that typifies Maoist circles in places like Turkey today. There are numerous Maoist groups that accuse each other of being creations of the secret police. What evidence do they give? The evidence is based exclusively on how near or close the group in question is to MARXISM-LENINISM-MAOISM purity. This is the political culture of Adolfo Olaechea. It is an obstacle to the creation of genuine revolutionary unity, just as it was in Germany in the late 1920s. Sid Chatterjee: many states have significant ownership or even monoploy (e.g., the Gulf countries) over sectors of the economy, does it mean that such states are socialist? What about the character of the regime that run such states? Louis Proyect: Cuba had a revolution. The guerrilla armies were composed of the rural poor, including sharecroppers and plantation hands. The central leadership included Che Guevara, who was a Marxist. His writings and speeches are steeped in Marxist concepts. Cuba had a revolution that seized the plantations and ranches of the rich and turned them into state property. It instituted a monopoly on foreign trade, and a planned economy next. The model was the USSR. Che Guevara's writings from the early 60s when he served as minister of planning reflect an attempt to try to understand how to build a socialist economy that does not rely on a simple transformation of the labor theory of value into a price and wage mechanism. His emphasis on "socialist morality" prompted some to label him a quasi-Maoist. It is important to understand that the Chinese government itself regarded Cuba as a sister revolutionary state in 1961 and published the collected speeches of Fidel Castro. Now what does this have to do with the Gulf states? The answer is nothing. There was no Marxist leadership in places like Iraq. The Baathists are bourgeois nationalists. There is capitalism in Iraq, as there is in Iran. No revolutions took place. What did happen was that modernizing sectors of the officer corps seized power in the name of "the people" and adopted many progressive economic and social measures. Marxists defend these gains against imperialist assault. We defended Nasser's nationalization of the Suez Canal, for example. But to confuse Nasser with Fidel Castro would be an egregious mistake. (But no greater, I suppose, than the sorts we are seeing here all the time from people infatuated with Adolfo's Maoist corruption of Marxism.) --- from list marxism-international-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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