File spoon-archives/marxism-international.archive/marxism-international_1997/marxism-international.9710, message 138


Subject: Re: M-I: Re: Zizek on PKs
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:23:32 -0500 (CDT)


	Oh come now Rakesh, engaging in off the cuff psyching of
fellow marxists is sort of off the wall. Myself, I never have 
figured out what people mean when they say they do or do not "identify"
with someone (person or fictional character). In fact the whole
literature around that term seems to me one of the stranger aberrations
of the 20th c.

	And if you are speaking about marxists old enough to have
participated in the anti-vietnam war movement, do you really think
that all we ever did was sing "give peace a chance"?

Carrol

Doug writes,
 
> And as for this...
> 
> >My sense is that Marxists don't identify with those voices, often women or
> >"pussy" men, because they are themselves a wimpy bunch who dare not speak
> >up against a football coach and his call for male bonding.
> 
> I don't know if you're saying I'm one of these guys, but I'll proudly
> identify with women and "pussy" men, and denounce the repellent idiocy of
> male bonding rituals from now 'til I draw my last breath. I think you have
> to acknowledge, though, that the PKs represent a departure from traditional
> male bonding rituals - they sing, hug, and even cry. Now I'm sure we can do
> some dialectical do-wah-diddy on this, how they're incorporating
> post-masculinist sensitivity in a new re-assertion of masculine privilege,
> but things are not as simple as you say.
> 
> Doug


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