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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 01:10:41 -0400
From: malecki-AT-algonet.se (Robert Malecki)
Subject: M-I: The Goldhagen stuff...


Can someone post this to Andy from M-I as I mention him in my reply to Diamond.
I am also posting this to the "Wilder" list on "racism" as it will perhaps 
be of interest for people their...
>
>In article <3438523f.7405224-AT-news.algonet.se>, malecki-AT-algonet.se (Robert
>Malecki) wrote:

><<The only few people still holding Aldolfo's hand is funnily enough
>Godena who's main fame to claim must be turning Goldhagen's theory on
>the holicaust upside down and blaming the jews for every evil in the
>world today.In fact Aldolfo's theory on Cuban and Chinese "fascism" is
>very close to Godena's anti-semetic ravings against all jews!>>

Steve replies;

>I get the sense you are hostile to Goldhagen's treatise. Maybe there are
>hidden agendas, but the factual conclusion that the ordinary German
>supported the holocaust seems entirely consistent with the Marxist
>understanding of it as scapegoating from the capitalist ruling class and
>its fascist rule. Scapegoats do not function without awareness and
>approval by the masses. It is just plain workerist to assume the workers
>could just not possibly endorse such a thing. The consciousness of the
>class depends immediately on the class's organization. When the latter is
>destroyed, the class loses any aspect of its progressive consciousness.
>
>Stephen R. Diamond

Yes, I am hostile to the Goldhagen stuff. But it hardly has anything to do 
with "workerism" or in fact agreeing with the general conclusions that you 
make above about working class organisations being destroyed. In fact I 
would go futher and say that backward elements of the working class are 
quite capable of supporting and fighting for fascist ideology. But this was 
hardly the point of the article..

In fact Goldhagen is being used by the leftoevers of the neo Stalinist and 
new left as a cover to write off the western working class, in this case the 
German Proletariat, as being incapable of rising again under the correct 
leaership and vying for state power.

In the case of Godena (a Stalin Stalinist) he uses anti Goldhagen arguements 
to become a Goldhagen in the worst sense. Thus his blaming all Jews for 
everything and all evils today. 

Andy who was the main proponent and defender of Goldhagen translated his 
ideas into the German working class not only helped Hitler but were 
responsible for the holicaust. Putting and = sign between the Nazis and the 
German people as a whole. He also defends the fascists the right to free speech.

I personally think that Goldhagen and the whole debate of trying to revise 
history on the holicaust comes in a time of intensifying inter-imperialist 
competition and once again the rise of fascism. And in fact Goldhagens 
theory is and invitation to the poor and working class people of the world 
to join in the next round of a new holicaust..The message is, see anybody 
can kill a Jew or a "Nigger" or a Gypsy!
This is the bottom line of the GoldHagen debate for me...

It is not just incidental that these kinds of discussions are coming to the 
for. It is the forefront of desperation of the middle class and the petty 
bougeoisie in this period that this stuff is addressed to..

No wonder the Jews are talking about "Nazi Gold" and "biological 
experiments". They feel deep in their hearts the very same thing that I 
feel. We are seeing clear 
"crystal night" tendencies and the rise of fascist gangs, parties and 
movements.We are seeing cold blooded murder of people with darkskins here in 
Europe. Unlike in the states where it is the cops that murder people of 
color here in Europe it is the Nazis and the white racists! And I don't 
think I have to remind you of the recent elections in France and Norway!

Warm regards
Bob Malecki
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