From: "ricardo" <davidb-AT-ak.planet.gen.nz> Subject: M-I: Re: Re Butler's polemic at RM Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:16:18 +1300 This notion that my enemy is my lover is pure pomo narcissism. Why don't you credit Ebert with ideas rather than unconscious desires? Dave. ---------- > From: Stephen E Philion <philion-AT-hawaii.edu> > To: marxism-international-AT-jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU > Subject: M-I: Re Butler's polemic at RM > Date: Tuesday, October 14, 1997 01:53 > > Doug, > > Do you think Butler's polemic at the Rethinking Marxism Conference was > more delivered at Ebert and the Buffalo gang than Sokal? As I recall her > talk, she harped on a "lacanian' (I think) insight that subjects of > critique are invariably subjects of desire, that the harsher the critique > that stronger the desire for the object of critique... > > This just didn't make any sense to me until the Buffalo gang (apologies to > Paul Zarembka in advance) (especially that Cotter character) started going > on about the evils of 'pleasure'-which apparently "postalists' love--and > its hold over the working class (or "knowledge workers as it were). > > I mean if her polemic were actually directed at the Eberts and Hennessy's > of the world, now I can only look back and say re: Butler's performance > that evening, "Encore!"...And then turn to the likes of Yoshie or Carrol > for a more serious (and illuminating) critique of Ebert and epigones... > > > Steve > > > On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, Doug Henwood wrote: > > > james m blaut wrote: > > > > >If possible, give me the citation on Judith Butler on neoconservative > > >Marxists: sounds important. These people are a big problem. They have > > >access to the Left and mainstream media denied to others; they have cushy, > > >well-paid jobs in universities and are in fact the ones who persuade > > >students that Marxism really is "just a method" and pacifying shit like > > >that. > > > > It's from "Merely Cultural," the talk she gave at the Rethinking Marxism > > conference at UMass last December. The whole thing is basically a response > > to the Sokal affair, and includes a long, strange meditation on the meaning > > of parody. Butler sent me a copy of the manuscript, and said it was > > supposed to be published in Social Text. Don't know if it's appeared yet. I > > poo-poohed the notion at the time, but James Heartfield's post made me > > wonder. > > > > A friend of mine who was taking a course with Butler at Berkeley > > complained, repeatedly, that her politics were all symbolic - there was > > nothing about class, institutions, etc. Butler, exasperated, said "If > > that's what you want, take a class on Marxism!" > > > > Still, I think JB is as sharp as these pomos come, and worth reading (which > > I'm doing slowly, since I spend all too much time reading IMF reports and > > the like) because she's smart and makes one a better Marxist. > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > --- from list marxism-international-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > > > > --- from list marxism-international-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- --- from list marxism-international-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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