File spoon-archives/marxism-international.archive/marxism-international_1997/marxism-international.9710, message 355


From: "ricardo" <davidb-AT-ak.planet.gen.nz>
Subject: M-I: Fw: (Fwd) M-G: The Czar and his Censors
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 08:59:40 +1300


List members,
I am forwarding Jerry's defence of his original posting which was banned
from M-I and which  led to his suspension for 7 days by Godena. If Godena
suspends me let him reveal himself as the hypocrite that he is in defending
Adolpho's blatant flames, Proyects blatant flames, and the puerile defence
of these by Siddharta. As for the rest of the contributers to this list who
have not yet committed themselves to the real defence of free speech as
opposed to preaching about it, may you be fry in your own juicy
contradictions.
Dave.
> 
> ------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
> Date:          Thu, 16 Oct 1997 05:43:05 -0400 (EDT)
> From:          Gerald Levy <glevy-AT-pratt.edu>
> To:            marxism-general-AT-jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU
> Cc:            marxism-international-AT-jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU
> Subject:       M-G: The Czar and his Censors
> Reply-to:      marxism-general-AT-jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU
> 
> > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 20:47:33 -0400 (EDT)
> > From: louisgodena-AT-ids.net (Louis R Godena)
> > Subject: M-I: A note to the list
> > 
> > To marxism-international:
> > 
> > Jerry Levy is going to be sitting this one out for a few days.  After
> > threatening to start a flame war on m-i
> 
> I didn't "threaten to start a flame war." The basic point of "bombs
away!"
> was that *you* were threatening the list by your violation of list rules
> and preferential treatment of a friend and non-subscriber. The reason the
> thread was called "bombs away!" was because that was what *you* were
doing
> to m-int when you forwarded the spam from another list. Moreover, many
> others have protested your conduct in this matter and you, wearing the
> Imperial Robe of Co-Moderator, have decided to ignore them.
> 
> > (*sans*, apparently, any type of
> > political content) he was dropped into the nopost file.
> 
> What is "political content"? From my perspective, the entire content of
my
> posts were political. Is it then apolitical when someone challenges the
> hypocritical and unprincipled behavior of individuals calling themselves
> "Marxist"?  
> 
> >  He is still
> > subscribed to the list, and is still receiving messages.  His messages
to
> > m-i, on the other hand, are being forwarded directly to the moderators,
who
> > will forward those with political content to the list.  Those purely of
a
> > personal nature will be returned to Mr Levy.
> 
> Mocking history, the moderators are now acting the role of the both Czar
> and the Czar's censors. *They* will now decide what posts have "political
> content" and what posts do not.  They will decide what constitutes posts
> "of a purely personal nature" despite the claims of the author. And they
> have decided that such censorship should -- for now -- only be directed
> against one individual. 
> 
> > Mr Levy is free to decide whether he wishes to participate
*politically* on
> > the m-i mailing list, or whether his personal agonistes take precedence
over
> > the political concerns of marxism-international.
> 
> I decided that my *political* participation should include a defense of
> Bob M (and Hugh and Dave B) against the outrageous and malicious charge
that
> they are US government agents.
> 
> What happened to the person making that charge -- in violation of list
> rules? Well ... everyone knows on m-int that list rules don't apply to
> Proyect. Everyone has also seen Czar Louis G "bend" (i.e. blow apart) the
> list rules for his own benefit.
>   
> > List members are reminded that forwarding posts from a suspended member
(one
> > who has been barred from posting directly, like Jerry Levy) is grounds
for
> > temporary suspension.  It will be enforced.
> 
> 
>                        *Welcome to the Gulag!* 
> 
> Here are the rules:
> 
> 1. If you say anything we don't like we will label it as "not political"
> and suspend you (but we won't have the common courtesy to tell you first
> that you have been suspended).
> 
> 2. If anyone else speaks on behalf of a suspended prisoner or is observed
> showing other prisoners messages from that person, then they will be
> "suspended" as well.
> 
> 3. Anyone who protests this or any other action or statement by the Camp
> Commandant (and Czar) will be "suspended."
> 
> 4. The Commandant (and Czar) reserve the right to be hypocritical and
> unprincipled.
> 
> > I, for one, have had enough.
> 
> So have I.  
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> Dave Bedggood


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