Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:21:02 -0400 From: james m blaut <70671.2032-AT-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: M-I: proletarians (from Jim B) James: The Eurocentrism in your pont #1 is half drowned in jargon. "But while the relationship of the capitalist world to its exterior was accidental and contingent (and perhaps all the more barbaric for that), its internal relationship of capital to labour is what is essential to its reproduction." Are you talking about the origins ofg capitalism? Then how can a not-yet-existent capitalism have "internal" and "external" ("accidentasl and contingent") relations. If you're talking about the historical development of capitalism, you're asserting that the "exterior was accidental and contingent" -- meaning I suppose that non-Europe, historically, was "exterior" to real capitalism. More Eurocentric mistakes in point #1: "Various instances of plunder, such as the seizure of Gold from the Americas, or slaves from Africa are historical factors in the development of capitalism, but they are not intrinsic to capitalist development." "The original, primitive accumulation of capital, is itself not an intrinsic characteristic of capital. But surely this is a paradox?...At the core of this question is the difference between Marx's logico-historical method and the teleological method of Hegel and romantic historiography." "The use values produced outside of the capitalist world continued to be a raw material for capital, insofar as they could be made the repository of exchange value." Most gold was not "seized" but mined by wage workers. Slaves were caputred, but (a) they produced profits for capitaliasm and (b) probably half the people involved in the slave trade\slave plantation complex were not slaves but wage-workers. This stuff is not "external" to capitalism and it was production, not exchange, and it was definitely not "primitive accumulation." As to point #2: This is nonsense: "...the low growth rates in the advanced world compared with the much higher growth rates in some parts of the developing world." -- unless these "parts" are a few small countries in East Asia plus long-since-developed Japan. More nonsense: " The relatively (relative to population) low density of wage labourers in the underdeveloped world places a limitation on the capacity of capital to exploit those people." You've got your numbers all wrong. And also this: "Where subsistence farming is the norm, surpluses can only be plundered through trade, usury and so on." Subsistence farming does not really exist anywhere. And most peasants are renters, not landowners, and usually work part-time for wages. Therefore the next passage is gobbledygook: "The disadvantage of such a system for the capitalist is that without direct control over the production process, there is no possibility of cranking up the rate of exploitation by improving productivity." If God didn't love poor people he would not have made so many of them. This vitiates your next point: "Put crudely, a Kenyan farm-labourer might live in greater penury, but a South Korean factory worker is more exploited - putting no moral interpretation on that purely scientific term." Numbers wrong again. But you point #3 is thoughtful. Fraternally Jim Blaut 3. Marx's theory of capital was Eurocentric, to the extent that Capital reached its highest point of development, in Marx's day, in Europe. The question was not posed in those terms while he was working. Rather, he was keen to ward off the accusation that he was 'Anglo-centric' (to use modern terminology) in using the English factory system as a model of social development. His rejoinder was simple: Don't be deceived, this is your future I am showing you. He meant that what seemed to be a Characteristically English (or Dutch) development, capitalism, would become generalised throughout the world. On that score, he was right, and provided us with the best defences against that system in his anti- capitalist theory. Marx's studies on non-capitalist modes of production were diligent and interesting, but I don't think it is necessary to make a definitive case for these. It is alleged, but less often demonstrated, that he and Engels were dependent on sources that have since been overthrown (like Morgan). His discussion of Asiatic modes of production, or even feudal society are not presented as definitive investigations, but only attempts to contrast the mode of production of capital, from that of other societies: his object of enquiry was capital and only capital. Wherever he seems to stray from that subject, his interest is, apart from an admirable Victorian inquisitiveness, to illuminate the capitalist mode of production. If Marx still has something to tell us about world developments it is only because capital is the dominant social relationship today. Fraternally -- James Heartfield --- from list marxism-international-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- --- from list marxism-international-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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