Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:18:17 +1000 (EST)
From: Gary MacLennan <g.maclennan-AT-qut.edu.au>
Subject: Lew and the dialectic was Re: M-I: Marx on Ireland


At 10:11 AM 11/8/97 +0000, you wrote:
>
>
>Of course Marx was not consistent on nationalism. In the Communist
>Manifesto and elsewhere he pointed out that workers had no country and
>that nationalism was an obstruction to class consciousness. Whatever
>Marx may have meant by "a more just settlement" between these two
>peoples, it is clear that the interpretation put upon it flies in the
>face of everything else he wrote about capitalism and the state. Nor is
>there any reason or evidence to show that supporting national
>independence has or will lessen chauvinism.
>-- 
>Lew
>Lew 


this deserves a more careful reply than I can give it here but you seem to
me to be failing to grasp the true nature of dialectical thinking.  there
is no contradiction at all between saying that the workers have no country
and also giving support though at times critical for the independence
movements among the oppressed.

Presumably you would not wish to argue that the Irish should not have
fought and should not fight the British for their independence??????

regards

Gary



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