Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 15:40:24 +1000 (EST) From: Gary MacLennan <g.maclennan-AT-qut.edu.au> Subject: Is there a moral point here was Re: M-I: Blaut on Indian death At 09:29 AM 1/5/98 -0500, you wrote: >At 07:26 PM 1/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >>Doug: >> >>This claim is NOT controversial in the literature. The best known popular >>account is Alfred Crosby's THE COLUMBIAN EXCHANGE. Also see McNeill's >>PLAGUES AND PEOPLE. The classic sources are monographs and papers by >>Woodrow Borah et al. This fact -- of the crucial importance of disease in >>the conquest of the Americas -- was not really known until maybe 20 years >>ago. However, this does not obscure the bloody deeds of the Spaniards and >>Portuguese. >> >>Jim Blaut >> > >It is very important to realize that some people raise the issue of >disease-caused deaths precisely to "obscure the bloody deeds." I have in >mind specifically a long review of Kirkpatrick Sale's "Conquest of >Paradise" that Columbia University historian Simon Schama wrote for the New >York Review of Books. The review, like much of Heartfield's stuff, was >apologetics for these "bloody deeds" that Jim Blaut is referring to. Schama >makes two points essentially: > >1) Disease killed most of the indigenous peoples, not the sword. > >2) Genocide was carried out by the strong tribes against the weak tribes >long before Columbus. > >Hence, the crimes of the Europeans is made to appear more like >misdemeanors. I plan to track down this rancid essay before this thread is >done. It is a fountainhead for all of the excuses for genocide from the >bourgeosie, and complements Heartfield's "Marxist" excuses. > >Louis Proyect > > > > --- from list marxism-international-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > Lou et al, This is of course an extremely important thread. Much of it has great relevance for Australia around the question of Land Rights for Indigenous Australians. The Right here have argued that the near extinction of Australia's Aborigines was primarily the work of germs and viruses and in any case just another instance of the working out of the survival of the fittest. They are also searching desperately for evidence of some people who were wiped out by Australia's Aborigines. So far they have not come up with any. They also argue that it is totally unjustifiable to allow Aborigines to lock up land from development. But the purpose of my post is to try and inject a concept of morality into this debate. I know that will bring hoots form the Marxist reductionists. However I would argue that implicit within what for convenience I will term the 'Heartfield position' is a moral notion that it is wrong to deprive a particular group of the benefits of capitalism/modernity. If I am correct here then surely we should address the moral question of whether it is right to destroy a culture or way of life in the name of progress or modernity or whatever. I think that this is as the many posts have testified a very complex issue. My use of the slash 'capitalism/modernity' is meant to draw attention to what I feel is an underlying confusion. Can we simply equate capitalism and modernity? I am inclined to say that we should not and I want to go further and argue that capitalism is what prevents us from delivering the promise of modernity -full citizenship for all based on liberty, equality etc. What I believe here is that the proponents of progress argue that they are offering modernity to indigenous peoples but in reality they are offering capitalism. So to take a specific instance - say of the Yanomami Indians, we would need to know exactly what they are being offered through development. Lou seems to think that they will be offered a life of misery, disease etc. This is of course a reasonably empirical matter. Is Lou just being an atavistic romantic or could it be that he has solid historical evidence on his side? I may be wrong but I would suggest that the evidence supports Lou's case. Now to argue that this doesn't matter and that progress must continue is I believe to take a Nietzschean and not a Marxist portion at all. Moreover I do not believe that this matter should be solved by quotes from classics but rather by a very determined effort to maintain and if necessary update the emancipatory thrust of the Marxist program. regards Gary --- from list marxism-international-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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