From: "Rosser Jr, John Barkley" <rosserjb-AT-jmu.edu>
Subject: Re: M-I: Leaders and Caudillos of the Left
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 01:12:52 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)


     So, Adolfo, do you claim that in a world of the 
"separation of ownership and control" it is "the 
controller" rather than the "owner" who is the "true 
capitalist"?  I think you will have trouble defending that 
one from Marx.
Barkley Rosser, officially certified non-Marxist (pay no 
attention to his ravings)
On Thu, 9 Apr 1998 21:46:05 -0400 Hariette Spierings 
<hariette-AT-easynet.co.uk> wrote:

> 
> >Okay, right. I have rethought my interpretation of value to this: 
> >
> >Value is that which capitalists acquire by (1) appropriating part or all of
> >the wealth produced by the labor of paid, underpaid, and unpaid workers; and
> >(2) externalizing the real costs of production to the communities and lands
> >of people of color, and to the taxpayers.
> >
> >
> >Therefore, it may be labor and labor only which produces value, but it is
> >definitely the ownership of the means of production that determines who
> >finally winds up with that value.
> >
> 
> 
> That is just not so either. It is not merely labour, but labour power which
> produces value.  Moereover, remember lenin's words: "Besides power
> everything is illusion"! And so ultimately is "ownership" of anything! 
> 
> For Marxism. it is not merely a question of ownership, it is a question of
> the command of labour power that which is the kernel - the essence - of the
> social relations embodied in Capital.
> 
> In, synthesis:
> 
> "Capital - i.e. the bourgeosie" - V.I. Lenin
> 
> 
> 
> Adolfo
> 
> 
> 
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