From: ruby781-AT-pseud.pseud
Subject: Re: M-INTRO: ARROGANT MONKEYS
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 11:01:30 -0600


In response to Tolkien, I am always glad when I hear of other people that 
aren't hanging on the media's every word as gospel.  With information about 
terrorism and war flying at us left and right, it is hard to sort out what 
is really going on and what our government chooses to tell us.  When I see 
footage of anti-American protests in other countries, and of people dancing 
in the streets, I think it is a good idea to step back and ask yourself, is 
there anything the government of my country has done that might make it more 
understandable why there are millions of people in this world that are so 
anti-American? Yes, the United States spends millions of dollars every year 
in humanitarian efforts in other countries...that is, other countries they 
have economic interests in.  There are many other examples, but I encourage 
people to do research for themselves, and try getting some of their 
information from other media outlets.


>From: Tolkien-AT-pseud.pseud
>Reply-To: marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>To: marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>Subject: M-INTRO: ARROGANT MONKEYS
>Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 03:27:36 -0600 (MDT)
>
>
>For the most part I respect other peoples opinion,
>especially those different of my own.
>But I have to draw the line in the case of blunt
>ignorance, especially those who seem to
>have the opportunity for higher education.  By the way,
>all am I doing here is exercising my GOD given right to
>freedom of thought and freedom of  speech.  CSM claims
>to have studied history and
>
> cannot recall any time the U.S. has, outside of war,
>slaughtered over 5000 civilians in one day.
>
>I would have to agree,  the event of August 6, 1945,
>when approximately 130,000 people were killed when an
>American B-29 Plane,  I believe it was the Enola Gay,
>(ask CSM for more detail) dropped an atomic bomb that
>destroyed the city of Hiroshima. Another atomic bomb
>was dropped on August 9, (in the same year  three days
>later for those who might be confused) killing 60,000
>people in Nagasaki.   But we need to
>remember that it was during war, so those killed were
>not innocent people, they were the enemy, is that fair
>to say CSM?  It wasnt one day killing 5,000 it was two
>days killing 190,000.  During that time most Americans
>agree with Truman and the idea was to end the war
>quickly to save American lives.  CSM continues with his
>productive opinions to society by saying:
>
>	And for all those poor, bullied, and
>defenseless people of Afghanistan who cannot comprehend
>why America is doing this to them.  Let them think back
>to 11 SEP 01 and how they where dancing in the streets
>rejoicing our misfortunes, while they are looking down
>the barrel of a M-60.
>
>So now its all the poor people of Afghanistan who
>committed these horrific acts of violence?  Come on CSM
>a M-60?  Isnt that being just a little bit to
>friendly  to the people who where dancing in the
>streets,(by the way that was not in Afghanistan it was
>in the west banks of Palestine and it is believed that
>footage was from 1998 according to NPR, take it up with
>them if you have problems with that information) Why
>dont we just go all out and Drop the Atomic again.
>And why be prejudice about Afghanistan and its
>people, lets get the whole problem.  India, Yemen,
>Omen, United Arab Emirates, Egypt, Libya, Sudan, Iran,
>Pakistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait ,  etc... Well
>maybe not all of them because some of them have the
>single most important commodity we need to run
>the industrialized world. Maybe we should just go in
>and take over. I can see it now, McMeca McDonalds,
>Pizza at the Pyramids,  oppressed XXX nudity bars.
>Dont you ever wonder why these people did this?  Do
>you think it was wrong that at an NFL game two weeks
>ago people cheered when they showed us attacking them
>on the big screen? Is this our view of Justice?
>
>I will put my cynical views aside,  I do not want to
>make light of the horrible situation and events which
>killed innocent people.  But I will not stand for
>arrogance, this is one of the problems on some of our
>points of view  and on the terrorist points of view
>both are arrogant monkeys.  America doesnt stand for
>VENGEANCE it stands for JUSTICE and mocking people at a
>barrel of an M-60 is not justice it is arrogance.
>
>Whats more important, Moral/ethical  interest or
>National Interest?  Who ever did this should be
>brought to Justice under what we believe to be
>Justice.  When Timothy Mcvay bombed the Oklahoma City
>Federal building, the government didnt go around the
>country bombing suspected targets. If you want to bomb
>Afghanistan back into the stone age, its to late there
>already there.  If you want to starve them out, its to
>late there already there. And where is Osama and his
>affiliates?  They are the targets and I wouldnt even
>put them into a category of religion or nationality
>they are simply crazy people who have successfully
>embedded fear.  It's ironic dont you think that these
>terrorist who have false views or extreme views of
>their religion which is strictly opposed to alcohol, and
>pornography and premarital sex, where hanging out in a
>strip bar a few days before the attacks drinking and
>watching nude women dance?  You mean to tell me they
>were willing to die for those same beliefs, but they
>would meet there maker with alcohol on their breath?
>They are insane people. I understand being upset, I am
>an American and I am upset,  I do not want to bring my
>child up in a world of fear and hate,  I want to fix
>the problem not make it worse. You can kill more people
>but the ones who actually committed the acts are
>already dead.  And we will never know how many Osama Bin
>Ladens are in this world or people who think like
>him.  How do you bomb or kill that?  I want You to tell
>me how the US government should respond differently to
>the current situation!
>
>
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