From: rodeo-AT-pseud.pseud
Subject: Re: M-INTRO: Patriotism
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:59:43 -0700
I agree with Cookieman and Kapitalism.
>From: cookieman-AT-pseud.pseud
>Reply-To: marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>To: marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>Subject: Re: M-INTRO: Patriotism
>Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:56:31 -0800 (PST)
>
>I agree with what Kapitalism has said in response to
>Redbren. I would just add to his comments by asking a
>question. Do you think the fact that the United States
>founders were religious people and had left their
>homeland seeking greater freedoms has anything to do
>with the fact that we do stick our noses into other
>country's problems and fight for their religious
>freedoms? I believe the United States to be one of the
>few countries founded on a religious background, and
>believe that those founders beliefs are still
>reflected to some degree in our country's actions.
>
>--- Kapitalism-AT-pseud.pseud wrote:
>
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><P>Redbren has the right to their opinion. What
>they do not understand is that pride starts in one's
>home, in one's yard, in one's school, and place of
>work, etc. Then it spreads to what makes it
>possible to have the pride they have. That pride
>is provided for by the United States our particular
>situation (or another nation that makes it safe to
>have a business, school, or home). Sure there is
>jingoism and corruption, but there is no other place
>on the planet that allows one to be as safe, live as
>well, or to seek as much access. As for
>patriotism casuing problems, that is nonsense.
>If it wasn't a larger nation, it would be smaller
>groups of people disliking one another (like rogue
>gangs in Africa and Afghanistan). It just so
>happens that these larger groups have now transformed
>into larger nations that share common cultures,
>people, beliefs, currencies, and goals. I wish
>the argument for the problem was as simplistic as
>Redbren has stated. Unfortunately, humans are
>much more complex than that and just because it is the
>United States really doesn't make a difference.
>Finally, the reason why the United States is playing
>world cop or is constantly involved in places like
>Ireland, Korea, Israel, China, Afghanistan, etc. is
>that this nation has an interest in defending human
>rights and promoting democracy. Does this mean
>we have our downfalls, yes, but there is no other
>country or group of people that is equiped to handle
>the situation. Moreover, the people that make
>this nation up consist of every nationality on this
>planet, so they have an interest in resolving conflict
>in their homeland. If it was not a country, it
>would be where their home is or where they came
>from. To use an example, the Taliban don't have
>any true borders and they are still an unresolved
>issue.<BR><BR></P></DIV>
><DIV></DIV>
><DIV></DIV>>From: CSM-AT-pseud.pseud
><DIV></DIV>>Reply-To:
>marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
><DIV></DIV>>To:
>marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
><DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: M-INTRO: Patriotism
><DIV></DIV>>Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:32:56 -0800
>(PST)
><DIV></DIV>>
><DIV></DIV>>Redbren is right. Americans do feel and
>think they are
><DIV></DIV>>more superior to other nations. Why you
>ask, because
><DIV></DIV>>we are. The United States is the most
>powerful nation
><DIV></DIV>>in the world. Our military is the most
>powerful
><DIV></DIV>>military presents ever to be known in
>the history of
><DIV></DIV>>the world. And every nation out there
>knows this. That
><DIV></DIV>>is why whenever there is some sort of
>crisis in the
><DIV></DIV>>political or economic world arena
>everyone looks to
><DIV></DIV>>see what the U.S. will do. It would be
>interesting to
><DIV></DIV>>watch the world crumble if the United
>States took the
><DIV></DIV>>approach of an isolationist country and
>did not do
><DIV></DIV>>anything for all these poor pitiful
>nations. That is
><DIV></DIV>>what I am proud of, awesome power. By
>the way
><DIV></DIV>>Redbren,how are your buddies in the
>Taliban doing
><DIV></DIV>>today?
><DIV></DIV>>
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