Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:32:56 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: MULAMBO-AT-pseud.pseud Subject: Re: M-INTRO: a 'free' country isn't the vast majority of crimes committed done so in the sphere of private property law and a moralistic civil order? isn't private property a social construction enacted so as to criminalize a whole section of society (the enclosures movement)? why is drug addiction treated as a criminal problem rather than a medical or physical or mental one? in whose interest is it that we jail instead of rehabilate? On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 Breakaway-AT-pseud.pseud wrote: > > In response to Tamar_Herzberg, i would like to say that there are a lot > of reasons why America has so many criminals, but i would like to > introduce the idea that a lot of the criminal activity could be caused by > the abuse of freedom which Americans enjoy. I'm not saying that this is > a huge cause of criminal activity, for there are many reasons, but rather > would like to hear what others think about that idea. There have been > some discussions about freedom and patriotism, and i wonder if people > (criminals) have some kind of inflated concept about these things that > may cause them to act in such a way that it is criminal. What do you > think? > > >From: Tamar_Herzberg-AT-pseud.pseud > >Reply-To: marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > >To: marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > >Subject: Re: M-INTRO: a 'free' country > >Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:51:27 +0000 (GMT) > > > >I agree that people who committed crimes must pay a > >price. Your agrument may sound right, since in every > >country you have a deviant lot - I just read about > >prisoners in Greenland... > > > >However, doesn't it appeal strange to you that the US > >has such a high level of prisoners - the highest rate > >in the world? > > > >Is the US more violent than other nations? Are > >Americans more prone to be criminals than other > >nations? If the answer for that is "yes", there must > >be reasons. Maybe the culture sucks. Maybe schools > >suck more than in other countries. Maybe it wasn't > >Australia, but America, where all the criminals went > >to. > > > >Is it a coincidence that most criminals are from poor > >background, low education (including many who can't > >read and write - and were born in America), many > >Blacks? I bet many of them are single mothers (if they > >are female prisoners) or children of single mothers. > > > >I'd say that there's a dierct link between the lack of > >social policies in the US and the fact that there's so > >many criminals. > > > >In other words, it's not the American people, or their > >culture, that sucks. It's capitalism. > > > > > > --- hurricane-AT-pseud.pseud wrote: > I like this topic > >of a "free" country. Everyone has > > > brought up some > > > interesting points. I think we need to remember > > > with freedom comes > > > responsibility. We do have a lot of people that are > > > probably serving > > > prision sentences that are too much for the crimes > > > they commited, but we > > > should remember that they are still crimes that need > > > punishment. Not all > > > prison is for rehabilitation, there has to be some > > > punishment for crimes. > > > > > > I understand that rehabilitation is necessary to > > > help people change their > > > lives, but we cannot overlook the criminal acts that > > > got these people in the > > > criminal justice system in the first place. > > > > > > > > > > > >====> >Manager of http://www.political-tips.com - Political Tips - your source > for political information > >Moderator of http://www.delphi.com/lt_political - The Political Tips > Forum and of http://www.delphi.com/sperts - Sperts New Home > >Administrator of http://www.topica.com/lists/relsocpol - RelSocPol - > discussion group > > > >________________________________________________________________ > >Nokia 5510 looks weird sounds great. > >Go to http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/nokia/ discover and win it! > >The competition ends 16 th of December 2001. > > > > > > --- from list marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > --- from list marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > ------------------------------------------------------------ "There can be no doubt about the task confronting us at present:- a ruthless criticism of the existing order... that will shrink neither from its own discoveries nor from conflict with the powers that be". Karl Marx 1843. --- from list marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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