File spoon-archives/marxism-intro.archive/marxism-intro_2001/marxism-intro.0112, message 18


Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:32:56 +1000 (GMT+1000)
From: MULAMBO-AT-pseud.pseud
Subject: Re: M-INTRO: a 'free' country



isn't the vast majority of crimes committed done so in the sphere of
private property law and a moralistic civil order?  isn't private property
a social construction enacted so as to criminalize a whole section of
society (the enclosures movement)?  why is drug addiction treated as a
criminal problem rather than a medical or physical or mental one?  in
whose interest is it that we jail instead of rehabilate?



On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 Breakaway-AT-pseud.pseud wrote:

>
> In response to Tamar_Herzberg, i would like to say that there are a lot
> of reasons why America has so many criminals, but i would like to
> introduce the idea that a lot of the criminal activity could be caused by
> the abuse of freedom which Americans enjoy.  I'm not saying that this is
> a huge cause of criminal activity, for there are many reasons, but rather
> would like to hear what others think about that idea.  There have been
> some discussions about freedom and patriotism, and i wonder if people
> (criminals) have some kind of inflated concept about these things that
> may cause them to act in such a way that it is criminal.  What do you
> think?
>
> >From: Tamar_Herzberg-AT-pseud.pseud
> >Reply-To: marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> >To: marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> >Subject: Re: M-INTRO: a 'free' country
> >Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:51:27 +0000 (GMT)
> >
> >I agree that people who committed crimes must pay a
> >price. Your agrument may sound right, since in every
> >country you have a deviant lot - I just read about
> >prisoners in Greenland...
> >
> >However, doesn't it appeal strange to you that the US
> >has such a high level of prisoners - the highest rate
> >in the world?
> >
> >Is the US more violent than other nations? Are
> >Americans more prone to be criminals than other
> >nations? If the answer for that is "yes", there must
> >be reasons. Maybe the culture sucks. Maybe schools
> >suck more than in other countries. Maybe it wasn't
> >Australia, but America, where all the criminals went
> >to.
> >
> >Is it a coincidence that most criminals are from poor
> >background, low education (including many who can't
> >read and write - and were born in America), many
> >Blacks? I bet many of them are single mothers (if they
> >are female prisoners) or children of single mothers.
> >
> >I'd say that there's a dierct link between the lack of
> >social policies in the US and the fact that there's so
> >many criminals.
> >
> >In other words, it's not the American people, or their
> >culture, that sucks. It's capitalism.
> >
> >
> > --- hurricane-AT-pseud.pseud wrote: > I like this topic
> >of a "free" country. Everyone has
> > > brought up some
> > > interesting points. I think we need to remember
> > > with freedom comes
> > > responsibility. We do have a lot of people that are
> > > probably serving
> > > prision sentences that are too much for the crimes
> > > they commited, but we
> > > should remember that they are still crimes that need
> > > punishment. Not all
> > > prison is for rehabilitation, there has to be some
> > > punishment for crimes.
> > >
> > > I understand that rehabilitation is necessary to
> > > help people change their
> > > lives, but we cannot overlook the criminal acts that
> > > got these people in the
> > > criminal justice system in the first place.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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 will shrink neither from its own discoveries
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