From: rodeo-AT-pseud.pseud
Subject: Re: M-INTRO: a 'free' country
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 16:17:50 -0700


While I've subscribed to this e-mail list I have noticed that people are 
quick to point out prblems, but slow to offer solutions. Iwould bew 
interested in hearing a soultion to the problems that have been raised.


>From: MULAMBO-AT-pseud.pseud
>Reply-To: marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>To: marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>Subject: Re: M-INTRO: a 'free' country
>Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:32:56 +1000 (GMT+1000)
>
>
>isn't the vast majority of crimes committed done so in the sphere of
>private property law and a moralistic civil order?  isn't private property
>a social construction enacted so as to criminalize a whole section of
>society (the enclosures movement)?  why is drug addiction treated as a
>criminal problem rather than a medical or physical or mental one?  in
>whose interest is it that we jail instead of rehabilate?
>
>
>
>On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 Breakaway-AT-pseud.pseud wrote:
>
> >
> > In response to Tamar_Herzberg, i would like to say that there are a lot
> > of reasons why America has so many criminals, but i would like to
> > introduce the idea that a lot of the criminal activity could be caused 
>by
> > the abuse of freedom which Americans enjoy.  I'm not saying that this is
> > a huge cause of criminal activity, for there are many reasons, but 
>rather
> > would like to hear what others think about that idea.  There have been
> > some discussions about freedom and patriotism, and i wonder if people
> > (criminals) have some kind of inflated concept about these things that
> > may cause them to act in such a way that it is criminal.  What do you
> > think?
> >
> > >From: Tamar_Herzberg-AT-pseud.pseud
> > >Reply-To: marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> > >To: marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> > >Subject: Re: M-INTRO: a 'free' country
> > >Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:51:27 +0000 (GMT)
> > >
> > >I agree that people who committed crimes must pay a
> > >price. Your agrument may sound right, since in every
> > >country you have a deviant lot - I just read about
> > >prisoners in Greenland...
> > >
> > >However, doesn't it appeal strange to you that the US
> > >has such a high level of prisoners - the highest rate
> > >in the world?
> > >
> > >Is the US more violent than other nations? Are
> > >Americans more prone to be criminals than other
> > >nations? If the answer for that is "yes", there must
> > >be reasons. Maybe the culture sucks. Maybe schools
> > >suck more than in other countries. Maybe it wasn't
> > >Australia, but America, where all the criminals went
> > >to.
> > >
> > >Is it a coincidence that most criminals are from poor
> > >background, low education (including many who can't
> > >read and write - and were born in America), many
> > >Blacks? I bet many of them are single mothers (if they
> > >are female prisoners) or children of single mothers.
> > >
> > >I'd say that there's a dierct link between the lack of
> > >social policies in the US and the fact that there's so
> > >many criminals.
> > >
> > >In other words, it's not the American people, or their
> > >culture, that sucks. It's capitalism.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- hurricane-AT-pseud.pseud wrote: > I like this topic
> > >of a "free" country. Everyone has
> > > > brought up some
> > > > interesting points. I think we need to remember
> > > > with freedom comes
> > > > responsibility. We do have a lot of people that are
> > > > probably serving
> > > > prision sentences that are too much for the crimes
> > > > they commited, but we
> > > > should remember that they are still crimes that need
> > > > punishment. Not all
> > > > prison is for rehabilitation, there has to be some
> > > > punishment for crimes.
> > > >
> > > > I understand that rehabilitation is necessary to
> > > > help people change their
> > > > lives, but we cannot overlook the criminal acts that
> > > > got these people in the
> > > > criminal justice system in the first place.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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