From: TOBY1-AT-pseud.pseud
Subject: RE: M-INTRO: Election 2004
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 23:37:29 -0600


I agree with scouter about the idea of an electoral college. I know this 
topic receives numerous debates every year, but more and more the media 
pushes us to let our voice be heard, but what good does it do if only the 
majority is heard? Since my teens I remember the "Rock the Vote" on MTV ads, 
and all the efforts made to put voting in the news and community. How can 
each individual voice be heard when the current system can make things so 
one-sided? We must find a more balanced way to do it.


>From: scouter-AT-pseud.pseud
>Reply-To: marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU
>To: marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU
>Subject: RE: M-INTRO: Election 2004
>Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 19:17:24 +0000
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>I may be way off base here, but what about the idea of the electoral 
>college?  It seems to me that at least part of the comment could be 
>inferred to mean that in non-swing states it dosen't matter what the 
>individual votes, because the vote of the majority of that state will be 
>what is heard.  An example would be Utah; individauls within the state may 
>vote for John Kerry, but its a foregone conclusion that George Bush with 
>get the 5 electoral college votes from that state.
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>From: bobcat-AT-pseud.pseud
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>Reply-To: marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU
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>To: <marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU>
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>Subject: RE: M-INTRO: Election 2004
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>Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:15:23 -0600
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>Here is my take on this, and I think that saying the election is "rigged"
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>may be an inaccurate word, but certainly has the right general idea.
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>The incumbent party in elected offices in the US always has a decided
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>advantage, whether that party is Republican or Democrat.  This is, in my
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>opinion, because the Bush-Cheney camp has more (seemingly) "credible" 
>people
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>in its ranks currently.  Collin Powell, Carl Rove, Donald Rumsfeld, etc. 
>are
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>high-ranking Republicans and are at no loss for chances to support Bush and
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>have a LOT of people hear their views.  They can throw pro-Bush blurbs in
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>anywhere: in a defense debriefing, a peace summit in Cairo, or in any of a
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>million other places.
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>Besides Kerry and Edwards, most of the members of their campaign group are
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>unknown to a lot of Americans.  Depending on your point of view, you may
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>feel that they have the right ideas, but they don’t have nearly the media
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>coverage that prominent Republicans have right now.  The opposite was true
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>after the Clinton administration, when many of the most well-known
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>politicians in the country were left-wingers.
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>So, long story short, I wouldn't say the election is rigged.  What I would
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>say, though, is that the election is heavily slanted towards the incumbent
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>group, as it usually is.  The challenge of ousting any incumbent is
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>daunting: you have to use less media coverage and often less-renowned 
>voices
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>to convince people that change is necessary.  This is particularly 
>difficult
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>in years like this one, where so much of the challenger's energy is 
>diverted
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>away from discussing the issues because of smear tactics.
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>This is why I think that Bush will probably win the election, whether
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>(speaking from a humanitarian slant now) he should or not.  People don't 
>get
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>to hear enough of why Kerry believes his position is correct.  But they get
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>lots of chances to hear Bush's side of the story, which in my book has all
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>the makings of a very predictable (and regrettable) election outcome.
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>[mailto:owner-marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU] On Behalf Of
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>REDHEAD-AT-pseud.pseud
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>Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:54 AM
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>To: marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU
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>Subject: Re: M-INTRO: Election 2004
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>She implied that the Bush administration was so rich
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>and so powerful that regardless of the poll outcome,
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>they would buy their way back into office.  Im sure
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>she had no material evidence to support this notion...
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>it was most certainly opinion based.   Also, the 2000
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>election, and the popular vote/electoral vote mismatch
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>probably fed her distrust in our current political
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>system.  Thanks for your response.
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>
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>--- idasan-AT-pseud.pseud wrote:
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> > I'm very interested in understanding more about
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> > Redhead's recent post.  Did
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> > your professor give you any evidence that the
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> > election is rigged?  It seems
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> > to be an outrageous claim that one (particularly an
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> > acedemic) would never
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> > say unless he or she had ample reasoning.  Was he
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> > perhaps speaking in
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> > general terms about our electoral process in general
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> > - or did he suggest
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> > that there is something directly rigging the
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> > election?
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> > To: "Marxism Intro"
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> > Subject: M-INTRO: Election 2004
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> > > Today I was out and about on the campus of my
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> > college.
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> > >  I was handing out voter registration forms to
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> > > non-registered students and staff.  At one point,
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> > a
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> > > professor of mine stated that I'm most certainly
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> > > wasting my time, because the 2004 election is
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> > "rigged"
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> > > and the outcome is "locked" for the Bush to win.
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> > Are
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> > > my efforts to get young Americans involved, worth
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> > > while?...  Am I just blowing myself?  Redhead
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