From: David-AT-pseud.pseud Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:40:53 EDT Subject: Re: M-INTRO: Facts and Debates Yes, I don't have the Ehrbar, just a copy of Capital v1. My version of chapter 1 s4 does not have the words "finished" or "surface" but maybe that's because I have a different translation. So many people have distorted what Marx says that I think it's important that we look at Marx's actual quotations. Can you provide the ACTUAL QUOTATION(S) from Capital where Ehrbar makes these questions? (Note: I am not saying you're distorting Marx, I just want to understand where you're coming from in talking about "Marx's explanation of the need to not begin with the facts." Thanks. In general, I think those of us seeking to understand Marx should refer to Marx's actual texts, and then decide for ourselves. There are a myriad of commentaries on Marx all extrapolating in hugely varying ways on what he said, representing a number of very distinct political ideologies, leftist sects, etc. so we must be careful. In a message dated 10/11/04 7:52:22 PM, Desoto-AT-pseud.pseud writes: > Yes. I would refer you to the Hans Ehrbar's Annotations. Page 176, > Question > 262. This is part of Chapter 1. The Commodity, section 4 The Feish-like > Character and its secret. Where else should one start science if not with > the > facts? How did Marx himself come to his findings? You will find the answer > on > the pages immediately preceding and following the the Annotations. This is > where Marx explains that the facts are "finished" or "surface" forms which > conceal. If you don't have a copy of the annotations, let me know and I'll > send a message including more exact quotes... > > Quoting Desoto-AT-pseud.pseud: > Quoting David-AT-pseud.pseud: > > > Desoto, > > Can you give a text citation and quotation of where Marx has the > explanation > > > > you describe below? > > Thanks. > > In a message dated 10/9/04 12:57:03 AM, Desoto-AT-pseud.pseud writes: > > > > > > > There is an interesting contrast here with Marx's > > > explanation of the need to not begin with the facts. > > > > > > > > > > > --- StripMime Warning -- MIME attachments removed --- > > This message may have contained attachments which were removed. > > > > Sorry, we do not allow attachments on this list. > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > > multipart/alternative > > text/plain (text body -- kept) > > text/html > > --- > > > > > > --- from list marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > > > > > > --- from list marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > --- StripMime Warning -- MIME attachments removed --- This message may have contained attachments which were removed. Sorry, we do not allow attachments on this list. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- --- from list marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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