From: BigBertha-AT-pseud.pseud
Subject: Re: M-INTRO: It all comes down to choosing between....
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:15:46 -0700


I agree that it is important to have criticism- as long as it is 
constructive. I also believe that when a decision is made that has no 
possibility of changing for a period of time, it should be supported and 
dealt with. There are some things that just aren't worth criticizing or 
complaining about because it won't change. ie. The President of the United 
States especially in their 2nd term.

>From: bsw8-AT-pseud.pseud
>Reply-To: marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU
>To: marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU
>Subject: Re: M-INTRO: It all comes down to choosing between....
>Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:52:35 -0700
>
>In response to lancer
>"America is what it is, simply the best and it is unfortunate that people 
>within
>the country take cheap shots at it.  A question for all of those who 
>complain
>and cry foul: If you lived in China, Nigeria, or Pakistan would you be so
>bold?"
>
>Is criticism a cheap shot then?  Personally I believe criticism to be
>constructive and a vital part of the democratic process.  It amazes me that
>some people have such little toleration for it.  Of course you chose 
>countries
>that fall short of any industrialized nation.  Most critics within the US 
>would
>not claim that China, Nigeria, or Pakistan were superior to the US, yet you 
>use
>this example.  Why is it that you didn't compare the US to more modern
>democratic nations?  This seems like sort of a straw man argument to me.  
>Even
>if I were to buy your argument that the US is the best nation in the world,
>that wouldn't mean our nation would be perfect and problem free or that
>something better could not yet be realized.  For these reasons alone 
>criticism
>should be welcome.  Tactics such as yours show an unwillingness to engage 
>in
>real discussion.  Instead of a serious response, you simply refer to 
>criticism
>as complaining or "cheap shots".
>
>
>
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