From: attackpeel-AT-pseud.pseud
Subject: Re: M-INTRO: 8 hour work day?
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 22:18:55 -0700


I agree with communistcows thoughts about not being able to compare out 
times with those of 100 years ago. Things back then were different and the 
jobs that people did required different skills and hours. When it comes to 
working 8 hour work days, I think that it is important to have a median so 
that people aren't over worked and that they are being exploited but also 
there are people who enjoy working and they liked working 15 hours a day. I 
am a person who always thinks about my work and want to become better and 
what I do, even if I work only 8 hours a day I bring my work home with me so 
I really end up working 10 plus hours. I don't think you can really put a 
number on the hours a person should work because we all work differently and 
some are just faster at what they do and they shouldn't be punished for 
that. I do agree with commuinstcow when he said that the quality of life 
isn''t determined by our luxuries and our happiness is what is really 
important.

>From: Communistcow-AT-pseud.pseud
>Reply-To: marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU
>To: marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU
>Subject: Re: M-INTRO: 8 hour work day?
>Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 19:12:39 -0800 (PST)
>
>In response to Optcost's thoughts: Some of the points
>made were valid, but it is not correct or fair to
>compare modern society with an agricultural society.
>Can you honestly say that modern society is more
>righteous than 100 years ago when a man's character
>was judged by his integrity and moral uprightness,
>rather than how nice of a car he drives? It doesn’t
>matter how long of a day you work if the rewards
>gained are for your self-satisfaction. Quality of life
>is not determined by technology or luxuries. (see
>modern divorce rates) or possessions (see Confucius)
>--- Optcost-AT-pseud.pseud wrote:
>
> > Response to Henry comments regarding 8 hour work
> > day.
> > I would have to disagree with Henry regarding
> > shorter work days because of the
> > millenium because of the fact 100 years ago almost
> > everyone was working 14
> > hour+ work days with no luxuries at all.  Even
> > though they were not working for
> > someone they were working for themselves doing:
> > chores around the house,
> > gathering food and water, feeding the farm animals,
> > repairing the house,
> > farming, making their clothes, hunting for meat,
> > etc.  But I do agree with
> > Henry regarding luxuries and present time.  I agree
> > that the reason why people
> > choose their profession is because of the lifestyles
> > they live.  There is a
> > reason why doctors drive porsche's, have a boat, and
> > timeshares around the
> > world.  If they did not want the better thing in
> > life they would just be a surf
> > bum waitering at a local restaurant.  Take for
> > example, I actually know this
> > guy that is 21 years old, driving a BMW M3, but
> > working at Teleperformance for
> > $9hr, fifty hours a week.  Instead of making money,
> > saving it and investing it.
> > He is working his but off just to drive a BMW.  That
> > is just ridiculous.  He is
> > pretty much working to drive a nice car wihtout no
> > savings.  Anyways, thanks
> > for letting me respond to your submission Henry.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Quoting Henry-AT-pseud.pseud:
> >
> > > I believe that one of the reasons that we don't
> > have
> > > shorter work days in the millennium is because we
> > work
> > > to gain luxuries. In modern society do we really
> > need
> > > almost anything that we would consider
> > necessities? In
> > > reality pretty much all we have would fit into the
> > > terms of luxuries. So we work more to be able to
> > buy
> > > the things we are accustomed to having, not just
> > the
> > > things that are needed to function.
> > > --- SKITRAMP-AT-pseud.pseud wrote:
> > >
> > > > Why do we work for 8 hours everyday?  Who
> > started
> > > > that program and why does it
> > > > still exist.  It seems at one point the workday
> > was
> > > > 10 or more hours, so with
> > > > all the new technology and innovation, shouldn't
> > the
> > > > workday be lower in the
> > > > millennium?
> > > >
> > > > It is unfortunate that I can't go get a real job
> > > > that pays salary, but only
> > > > requires 4 hours of work.  Very few part-time
> > jobs
> > > > will meet the income need by
> > > > the modern day family.  But many full-time jobs
> > > > could sustain a family on if
> > > > the salary were half.  Example:  I know a man
> > who
> > > > works all day and makes
> > > > $200,000+ a year.  If he were to work have that
> > time
> > > > he would make $100,000,
> > > > which is enough for any family, but in America
> > if he
> > > > were to work part-time at
> > > > his job, he would be fired as a slacker.
> > > >
> > > > I think the younger generation should speak up
> > and
> > > > have the workday lessened to
> > > > 6 hours, and give people a chance to enjoy what
> > they
> > > > are working for.  Who
> > > > cares if we are not the most progressive or
> > advanced
> > > > country, we would at least
> > > > be happy and not depressed rich we see so much
> > of
> > > > now.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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