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From: akudiya-AT-pseud.pseud
Subject: Re: M-INTRO: Ballot Tampering
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 02:57:23 -0500


I have issues with some points you raise beginning with the Al Gore
comment, although I can see the sarcasm.  Gore would probably do the same
thing in terms of attacking who is obviously was; however, do you
understand the implications of going into Iran.  It would be much much much
worse than Iraq and you can bank on a draft coming to fruition at that
point. 

Also, the ballots that were tough to decipher in Florida were somewhat
confusing, but that is up for debate.

I think that keeping the country safe from foreign attack is clearly a
priori; however, that does not mean it can cover up our domestic issues.

I think the president of the U.S. is more like a head coach in the NFL, you
get too much credit if you win and too much blame if you lose.


Original Message:
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From:  Optcost-AT-pseud.pseud
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 00:32:39 -0700
To: marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU
Subject: Re: M-INTRO: Ballot Tampering


To add onto akudiya submission:
Bush won both 2000 & 2004 elections fairly.  I do agree with you regarding
Kerry's campaign, it was his own fault for not targeting those undecided
voters.  I DO NOT believe in ballot tampering what so ever.  If this was the
case hundreds of people would be involved and sooner or later there would
be a
leak leading to prosecution.  Look at 2000 for an example, voters in some
states DID NOT vote for the correct candidate they wanted to because ballots
were confusing for the elderly??? If it was that confusing for them, they
should not be voting if they cannot simply MARK or PUNCH the whole next to
the
name of the person they were voting for.  It will be interesting to see what
happens next in the Bush era, maybe WWIII?  First, Iraq, then Iran & Korea
is
on the list.  It will be very interesting to see, but I stand by the
president
and feel he is doing a great job and doing what I believe is the most
important
thing right now and it is the keep our country safe from terrorist.  Imagine
what it would be like if Al Gore was the president? We would probably be
still
wondering who planned, lead, and carried our the attacks of 9-11.  Just a
thought, thanks for letting me comment on your submission akudiya!!




Quoting akudiya-AT-pseud.pseud:

> Although I voted Kerry and believed 2000 to be a sham in Florida, even I
> can admit that Bush won the election fair and square in 2004. He won the
> popular vote by a considerable margin and just beat Kerry. 
> 
> The reasons for the victory are clearly up for debate, although I think
> that Kerry's campaign was targeting the wrong people, because the people
> that voted for him, I believe, were going to vote for him anyway.
> 
> Now, does that mean the electoral college is right? Absolutely not for
> reasons outlined  in messages before this one.
> 
> In terms of ballot tampering, its conspiracy theory to its greatest and I
> don't think there is any credible, substantial or even legitamate evidence
> to suggest that there was ballot tampering.
> 
> I am interested to see how Bush does now that he does not have reelection
> on his mind and we can see what he truly wants his legacy to be. 
> 
> What do you guys think of the change in the Bush era now that he is not
> handcuffed by reelection?
> 
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From:  BigBertha-AT-pseud.pseud
> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:12:50 -0700
> To: marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU
> Subject: Re: M-INTRO: Ballot Tampering
> 
> 
> I agree with wheresecon5080. Bush won the popular vote. He also won the 
> electoral vote, and Kerry stated that very clearly when he conceded the 
> election. While watching the media throughout the election, I said myself 
> that if Bush won they would try to discount it like the last election. I 
> give Kerry credit for not allowing it to happen on election day, but the 
> media needs to grow up. If Kerry had won, none of this would have ever
come 
> up.
> 
> >From: wheresecon5080-AT-pseud.pseud
> >Reply-To: marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU
> >To: marxism-intro-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> >Subject: Re: M-INTRO: Ballot Tampering
> >Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 15:23:49 -0700
> >
> >One of the things I am grateful for is that fact that we can live in a 
> >country that allows for the amount of decent that there currently is.
When 
> >I say decent, I mean it in the patriotic sense. It is our duty to ask 
> >questions and investigate answers. That is what makes us American. But
> what 
> >make us crazy americans is that fact that people of both parties have 
> >resolved to vilify the other. To think that when Jefferson and Adams
were 
> >not getting along and they acted the way we do in this day and age, we 
> >would have had no form of governance at all. Yes, Jefferson and Adams
had 
> >there moment of strong disagreement, but all the while remaining 
> >gentlemanly. Some would argue that times have changed, it's all so 
> >different now. Well, the only thing that has changed is that fact we
allow 
> >such petty, child-like bickering. I voted for Bush. Why? Because he 
> >embodies the most of what I think is right. So what if you don't think
so. 
> >Vote for some one else. That is your right. But it is also your right to 
> >not compare our president to such men as Hitler, and so on. Why, IT does
> no 
> >good. It only shows how little you know about history. Furthermore, it 
> >shows what an ignoramus you can be. Deal with the fact you can't control 
> >everything. When Dole lost, people dealt with it. Kerry is no different. 
> >Clearly, there will be more opportunity to run another campaign with 
> >another agenda that might gain more than half the electoral college. IK 
> >think it strange that a party so bent on appreciating diversity, is so 
> >intolerant of people who think differently. Work to be tolerant, both 
> >parties should. But until then work hard to advocate togetherness. Not, 
> >"move to another country because you didn't get your way." Come on grow
> up. 
> >When I was four my mother says I would throw tantrums. She would send me
> to 
> >my room to think about what I had done. Don't throw a tantrum, it only 
> >polarizes the issues more, and you end up in your room, so to speak.
> >On Nov 13, 2004, at 2:53 PM, REDHEAD-AT-pseud.pseud wrote:
> >
> >>I did not vote for Bush in the recent election, but I
> >>do believe that he won by popular demand... not vote
> >>tampering.  Many of my acquaintances and fellow
> >>non-Bushies have speculated that the election and
> >>ballots were rigged.  I don't buy it though.  Why
> >>not???  The people loved Hitler... Stalin... Napoleon,
> >>and many others who were deemed murderers  and
> >>oppressors when all was said and done.  Societies were
> >>blinded by the initial benefits they reaped under such
> >>regimes.  Powerful propaganda discretely rinsed the
> >>minds of the once free thinking individuals.  I think
> >>America put Bush/Cheney back in office through the
> >>power of citizen votes.  The liberals retaliate with
> >>claims that the election was won through foul play.  I
> >>found more logical answers in the repetition of the
> >>cycles of history.   Do humans flock to tyrants?
> >>
> >>  I was hoping to see what peoples opinions are
> >>regarding the legitimacy of this election.  Also, what
> >>do you think future histories will say about our
> >>current regime?  Redhead
> >>
> >>
> >>
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