Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 15:29:41 -0700
From: cdavidson <cdavidson-AT-igc.apc.org>
Subject: Re: M-TH: RACE


Here's where we differ: I don't think any white is in "objectively
the same (proletarianized) position as the vast majority of blacks",
precisely because whites are part of the oppressor nationality, while
African-Africans are of the oppressed nationality. I see nationality
and its various webs of advantages, conditions and restrictions
as part of one's objective circumstances, as well as one's
psychological makeup. That's why two workers, one white and one Black, in
the same factory even with the same pay are still not in the same
objective condition.  --CD


rakesh bhandari wrote:
>
>  Nontheless, it may be disconcerting for you to recognize that despite the
> "white" affirmative action to which you refer so many of that fine
> Scots-Irish stock, especially the women of course,  have still found
> themselves and will increasingly find themselves in objectively the same
> (proletarianized) position as the vast majority of blacks, but this only
> reflects your racial arrogance (and probably male bias as well), not your
> anti-racism.
>
> By the way, what do you make of the fact that blue collar-white collar
> differential in death by heart disease is greater than than the black-white
> one (which is not to say collar distinctions are Marxian ones)? Or has it
> become passe for tough-minded anti-racists to examine the relationship
> between disease and occupation?
>
> All the best,
> Rakesh
>
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