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From: "Rebecca Peoples" <wellsfargo-AT-tinet.ie>
Subject: Re: M-TH: Re: Against Nature documentary
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 12:19:46 -0800


Gerald:

Precisely Gerry. And this is what the TV program ignored. It ignores the
fact that under capitalism over-population can exist and does exist. Furedi,
Living Marxism and the RCP in this programme deny that there can be any
over-population under capitalism. In contrast to their (straw) opponents
they essentially argue that there is under-population: Malthusianism in
reverse, a bourgeois argument. The programme was stuck within the Malthusian
framework. In that way Furedi and Heartfield argue on the same plane as
their protagonists. In that way they both they and the Greens share much in
common.


Rebecca



Rebecca
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From: Gerald Levy <glevy-AT-pratt.edu>
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Date: 08 December 1997 02:40
Subject: M-TH: Re: Against Nature documentary


Rebecca Peoples wrote:

> This constitutes a hidden attack on the the basic features of Marx's
> Capital. Marx recognised the existence of  over-population as inevitable
> feature of the capitalist mode of production. He correctly recognised
> that the only way to create the conditions for the removal of
> over-population is through the establishment of socialism.

Marx decisively and emphatically rejected the Malthusian concept of
overpopulation in _Capital_. Instead, he advanced the alternative of a
"relative surplus population" -- the army of the unemployed (the
"industrial reserve army"). See V1, Ch. 25.

Jerry



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