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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 23:21:45 -0500
From: malecki-AT-algonet.se (Robert Malecki)
Subject: Re: M-TH: Marxism/Feminism or Men's Movement?


Yoshie writes!

>Sometimes, on this list and elsewhere, there have been posts that bemoan
>the dearth of marxist women in cyberspace (and the real world).

Bullshit yoshie!
>
>I propose several possible reasons for it.
>
>1) Both the category of gender and the actual struggles women have been
>waging (both as workers and women) come across as a sort of "afterthought"
>in marxism space.

Not really.In fact their are organizations that do devote quite a lot of
time to these questions..
>
>2) Feminism is often equated by some male marxists with bourgeois or
>petit-bourgeois pursuits.

It is!
>
>3) Diverse trends in feminism are not always recognized. Feminism is often
>spoken of as if it were a homogenous entity. Further, there are often
>confident pronouncements about "feminists in general" without any detailed
>discussion of what any of the feminists has to say or write.

OK! Come with something concrete. I can send you detailed arguements that
are widely discussed and distributed internationally..
>
>4) While the cross-class nature of some feminisms is recognized, there is
>hardly any discussion of cross-class solidarity amongst men, which is a
>huge obstacle for the development of class consciousness.

I have no sympathy or support period for popular front politics for
women..Communists always devide the reds from the blues on all questions why
should the women's question be put on a popular front pedistal?
>
>5) Women work longer hours because of their "double shift," so they don't
>have the time to be active in cyberspace.

Most women don't even have acess to the net. And the "double shift" can not
be solved in this society...
>
>In my opinion, we got to do something about the above; otherwise, marxism
>will become an aging "men's movement."

No it won't. The feminists fad and bankrupt political line will like the
Greens be absorbed into the coming class against class confrontations on the
horizen. And women will being playing a key part oon the barricades. Because
it is either that or they are dead..

The feminist spoiled brat generation certainly will not have the answers nor
in fact the SOCIAL POWER to do dip shit about anything. All talk bubbles and
no program to get women out of the historical dead end they find themselves
in. And the above class whining won't help either..

In fact the feminists here at Jefferson Village made a block with the
Stalinists over on M-F a few months back and first got one of the few people
who actually wants to fight for *real* womens liberation off the list
because of the infamous "feminist ballbuster" debate which started over a
great discussing about babyies out experience where the feminists ponced on
a women for defending her own experience connected to becoming a socialist
along with accusing frued of being a supporter of dirty old men.. Then
others were expelled from the list by the stalinists and Mensheviks and
basically destroyed any possibility of a serious discussion "with no ho=F6ds
barred" on the women's question.

The feminist did not want to discuss they wanted to dictate terms along the
lines of their rotten politics. In fact showing incredible stupid and
sectarian judgement linked to rotten blocks with the Stalinists in order to
silence people..

I should mention that you did NOT play a role in this and did act in a
principle albut in a silent manner and allowed the list to be hi-jacked and
now and empty shell.

I still think that and M-fem list could be viable or even better that these
questions are intergrated into thaxis like any other question facing those
who claim to be "Marxist"..

Tomorrow to start of the process I will send a long piece on the abortion
question linked to class struggle here in Europe to start it off..

Warm regards
Bob Malecki



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