File spoon-archives/marxism-thaxis.archive/marxism-thaxis_1997/marxism-thaxis.9712, message 501


Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:18:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Justin Schwartz <jschwart-AT-freenet.columbus.oh.us>
Subject: Re: M-TH: Re: Pragmatism



It's absolutely mind-boggling ignorance of pragmatism to think that we
take the perspective of the isolated individuals apart from all social
relations. Carroll says this has to be "demonstrated." That's like a
demand that it be "demonstrated" that Marxism acknowledge the class
struggle. The social nature of knowledge and its dependence on social
practice are the starting point for all pragmatists. Just pick up any
pragmatist writing at all and read for several pages. --jks

On Sun, 14 Dec 1997, Carrol Cox wrote:

> Desmond writes:
> > 			It's basically the perspective of the lone
> > scientist in the lab, devoid of the lab assistants, theoretical debates,
> > or collective processes of research and dissemination which secretly
> > underpin such.
> 
> And this of course marks *the* difference between marxism and anti-
> marxism. Any form of marxism that sees marxism as, first of all, a
> practice, not as a philosophy among others, has to assume that both
> in principle and in simple empirical fact social relations are prior
> to and generative of the individual, who, unlike Milton's Adam, is 
> always already enmeshed in a web of social relations. Until it can
> be demonstrated that some pragmatist takes the same point of departure,
> the reason for even reading pragmatist philosophers escapes me.
> 
> Carrol
> 
> Incidentally, Norman Geras has written an excellent critique of
> Richard Rorty. I have read only the version in NLR, but I believe
> he has published a book on Rorty now.
> 
> 
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