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From: "Dave Bedggood" <dr.bedggood-AT-auckland.ac.nz>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 04:03:47 +0000
Subject: Re: M-TH: Mandel's critique of Mattick


Its great weather in Titirangi Jurriaan, and the hippy sectarians are busy 
with their sacred scrolls. The ilk are playing in the bush, (unlike 
the kiwis who don't even last one day)  and we go down to the beach every 
day looking for flotsam and jetsam. Its hard to find an audience for 
our petty dogmas these days as the market is 
crowded out with new right petty dogmas. Still if you'r ever 
interested in playing politics like you used to, give us a bell.
Dave.

> Dave Bedggood, the hippy from Titirangi, has decided to substitute
> Stalinist-type name-calling for serious argument, identifying me with
> positions which I do not hold at all, and falsifying the arguments of
> Mandel and Marx as well. This is laughable and pathetic.  Dave talks about
> "regroupment". Well I guess the only people he will attract for any length
> of time with his abominable sectarian behaviour are bits of "flotsam and
> jetsam" (to use his own phrase) who are so gullible as to fall for his
> petty dogmas and sacred scrolls.  Any Marxist capable of independent
> critical thought won't be fooled by Bedggood's ilk.  As far as I am
> concerned, it's people like Bedggood who give Trotsky, Trotskyism and the
> Left a bad name. 
> 
> Jurriaan Bendien.
> 
> ----------
> > From: Dave Bedggood <dr.bedggood-AT-auckland.ac.nz>
> > To: marxism-thaxis-AT-jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU
> > Subject: Re: M-TH: Mandel's critique of Mattick
> > Date: Thursday, January 15, 1998 3:34 PM
> > 
> > 
> > Jurriaan replies
> > to Dave's point:
> > 
> > > There is a line of march between a
> > > > theoretical adaptation to indeterminacy, and political opportunism. 
> > > The test of this is the condition of the remains of the United
> Secretariat
> > > > of the Fourth International today. 
> > > 
> > > That's just rhetorical wank betraying serious confusion.  Let's have a
> look
> > > at Bedggood's own line of march.  What had Bedggood accomplished with
> > > railing on abstractly about the TPRF for twenty years ? Fuck all. He
> just
> > > keeps rebuilding the same tiny sect which periodically explodes leaving
> a
> > > scattering of disillusioned militants. 
> > > 
> > Normally I wouldnt waste my time replying. All I will say is that 
> > Jurriaan  is one disillusioned militant I cannot be held responsible for.
> > 
> > Jurriaan talks about wank when he embodies it. 
> > He is living proof of the bankrupcy of Mandel's 
> > "improvement" on Marx and his liquidationist politics. Jurriaan's 
> > contribution to this list is a substitute for real politics,  unlike 
> > the those who still fight for Trotskyism. I belong to an 
> > organisation with members in 3 continents. The main reason I'm on 
> > this list is to further Trotskyism and opening up opportunities for 
> > regroupment. 
> > 
> > Part of that fight for  Trotskyism is to clear out the debris of 
> > post-war Trotskyist centrism and impressionism. Mandel is the single 
> > most representative figure in that tradition which has to be 
> > overcome.  He has to be defeated not only in terms of the method 
> > which he uses to distort Marx - amending the crisis theory so that it 
> > can be proved by academics; deriving a "new" stage of capitalism - 
> > "late" capitalism to deal with the "new" period after the war. He 
> > also has to be defeated in his "programme". It is interesting that as 
> > soon as I mention "programme", Jurriaan reacts hyperdefensively.
> > 
> > Mandel's political tendency is in meltdown, sadly leaving flotsam 
> > and jetsam like Jurriaan floating about. But his programmastic ideas
> still 
> > operate as a bridge between right-wing Trotskyist centrism and the swamp
> of 
> > neo-stalinist Menshevism.  Instead of liquidating itself into petty 
> > bourgeois radical movements like students, "unconscious trotskyists" 
> > and guerillaists, today Mandel's political remains liquidates itself 
> > into the imperialist democratic petty bourgeois. 
> > 
> > Dave. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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