File spoon-archives/marxism-thaxis.archive/marxism-thaxis_1998/marxism-thaxis.9803, message 1259


Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:35:38 -0500
From: Yoshie Furuhashi <furuhashi.1-AT-osu.edu>
Subject: Re: M-TH: Re:Porn


Jerry wrote:
>2) we don't know what free human beings, unenchained from capitalist
>social relations, will choose in terms of sexual preference and/or
>orientation. These humans of the future are as different from us as we are
>from the apes. We can not know what they will choose and desire.

Very true, but we can predict what they are not likely to favor under
communism, and among the unlikely things, I include heterosexuality as we
know it as coercive institution and naturalized norm. Without
homosexuals/bisexuals who are made out to be "abnormal," there is no point
in saying that heterosexuality is "normal." Probably there won't be much
point in identifying ourselves as hetero- or bi- or homo-sexuals either.

With this distinction's disappearance or becoming meaningless, people's
other real and complex differences will be recognized. Among those
differences, sticking to one's biological sex in search of sexual
partners/love interest/fantasies/etc. throughout one's life without any
deviation will be one preference among many--a very minority taste.

>Aside to Yoshie: sometimes I get the impression that you think you are
>speaking for the interests of all women.

You get this impression because there are few women here, and the women who
are here and post regularly (Nancy and now Li Trahn) sometimes agree with
me (especially on the question of gender) but often don't (especially in
the case of Nancy about labor, class, etc.).

You want to hear a variety of voices speaking as women, you got to bring
more women here.

>I think a great many of those
>women that you claim to speak for, including many progressive women, would
>object to your -- unfounded -- assertion that heterosexuality among women
>will become a minority preference.

They may or may not. Why not bring such women here? I would love to argue
with them. More interesting than arguing with *men who claim to speak for
women who would disagree with me*!

Yoshie




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