From: brumback-AT-ncgate.newcollege.edu
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:27:45 -0800
Subject: Re: M-TH: Bob on Fundamental Beliefs (was braindead)


I have absolutely no idea why Bob thinks that I make his point "in the
negative" sense and "argue against" my own gender interpretation of
reality." But please, don't anyone try to explain. At this point, I really
don't care one way or another.


>>Nancy wrote, then Bob wrote, now Nancy writes again:
>>
>>>>I stand by my position that the large-scale swallowing of fundamentalist
>>>>teachings prevents one from learning how to think and assess things for
>>>>one's self.
>>>
>>>I do not! Because we can take and example of the picket line which means 
>>>don't cross it has nothing to do with individual rights but is the 
>>>collective class answer to the bosses in a deadly war over who gets what. As 
>>>a poor and working class person I find strength in collectivity and as soon 
>>>as some of our petty bourgeois individualists start screaming like you do I 
>>>see red. Not because it is a discussion. But because it means poor and 
>>>working class peoples blood. What would have happened in lets say Vietnam if 
>>>one would have followed your line? The Viet Cong would not only not driven 
>>>out the American Imperialists but they would have been dead. Or we can take 
>>>the picket line once again. See where it gets you if with your individuality 
>>>you decide to cross that line! So as you can see their are "fundamentalist" 
>>>teachings throughout history that are draped in the blood of poor and 
>>>working class people..But you still probably don't get it.
>>>
>>I discussed the idea of fundamental beliefs before in another related
>>thread, so I will only summarize myself here. 
>>
>>If, after a belief is examined through testing against every possibly
>>imaginable situation, it still retains its ability to explain and provide
>>meaning, then that belief is no longer a belief -- it is a truth insofar as
>>there is any such thing. As an example of a fundamental belief which I have
>>subjected to such a test, and which I now take to be a truth, I gave the
>>belief/truth that the essence of capitalism is the ownership and control of
>>the means of production by the few, for the purpose of making profits by
>>exploiting the many.
>>
>>To Bob, a fundamental belief is something that is "draped in the blood of
>>poor and working class people." As an example of a fundamental belief, Bob
>>has given the picket line, which means don't cross it. Okay Bob. What if
>>white male unionists were picketing a site to protest affirmative action for
>>women? Would you decline to cross it?
>>
>You make my point in the negative sense and argue against your own gender 
>interpetation of reality. In fact the last about "white male unionists" and 
>crossing the picket on affirmative action is also backward genderism or 
>turning the clock back. So naturally I would oppose this anti class gender 
>action by white males and defend affirmative action which unites the class.. 
>Because the white male genderism is the flip side of feminism..
>
>Warm regards
>Bob Malecki
>
>
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