From: brumback-AT-ncgate.newcollege.edu Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:27:42 -0800 Subject: Re: M-TH: Bob on Feminists: the Class Enemy (was braindead) I'm sorry that Bob finds my "feminist trash" difficult to understand. If he took me seriously, as I take him seriously, he would be able to understand because he is not unintelligent. But he is unwilling to consider, if even for a moment, ideas which are different from his. Instead, he just trivializes them, along with the people who have them. >Nancy writes! >> >>Many times, I have said what I will say again now: that I do not put gender >>before class, just as I do not put class before gender. Just as women's >>issues are not peripheral to class issues, so class issues are not >>peripheral to gender issues. What this means is that capitalism, which is >>patriarchal, is based on relations of domination and until all forms of >>domination are overthrow, there can be no socialism. > >I still don't get it. You are playing with words here. Women =gender and >class =class..But not in your books.. >> >>Marx knew that the social relations were part of capitalism as much as the >>economic relations, but because he did not spell out the exact relations of >>the social and the economic, patriarchal Marxists naturally fall into the >>patriarchal interpretation: the class relations are more important than the >>gender relations -- just like anything that has to do with men is more >>important than anything that has to do with women, under patriarchy. > >Sure Nancy! This is feminist trash. A cover for pushing what you deny in the >first part of your letter and turn around and say ; > >>patriarchal interpretation: the class relations are more important than the >>gender relations - > >where you first say; > > so class issues are not >>peripheral to gender issues. > >I know I am stupid, but this intellectual flim flam to push you feminist >wares in a cloud of wordy confusion just makes t really difficult to >understand you.. > >Warm regards >Bob Malecki > > > > --- from list marxism-thaxis-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > --- from list marxism-thaxis-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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