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From: "Bob Malecki" <malecki-AT-algonet.se>
Subject: VB: M-TH: Re: Sociobiology
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:46:55 +0200


>>James wrote:
>>>But most of all it makes the cardinal error of assuming that compulsive
>>>and spontaneous behaviour is therefore a product of natural instinct.
>>>But capitalism substantially displaces natural instinct with new kinds
>>>of unconscious behaviour, behaviour that is not entirely within our
>>>conscious control, without thereby being derived from natural instincts.
>
Well, Jim appears to have gotten us out of the trees--realizing that the
tree we were in exists, I will buy that. But we have still not solved the
problem of sexual revolution and how it will be obtained.. Nor is the so
called "sexual revolution" in light of say the sixties until today hardly a
revolution--but a ripple connected to a very special period of history..
In fact I believe that Jim's application here applies to all the forms which
appear to be the last word on sexual liberation (at least on this list) are
interconnected and flawed by the preceding period but also the period we are
heading into which will be determined by not in the least the crisis of this
system which historically needs to apply a blood bath to solve its
contradictions.

But I think the discussion even on the Internet should be put in its
historical perspective.  How many so called "porr" sites on the net should
be a gage of measurement of the so called sexual revolution. Take a look at
the gage and it appears that sexual revolution is not around the next
corner..

So then we are once again back in the crude circle which links sex like
everything else to the economic system and its institutions..
Only real way out is by eliminating the present system with a better system
for all..

This connected to a long transitional period where the communist society
will produce really new and free relations which certainly could take quite
a number of forms.

Not just bi-sexual-homo-sexual-lesbian pr so called straight relationships
between man and women. Who knows maybe there will be collective sex parties
connected to eating a good dinner and watching the sunrise or set..
But the point is getting there!

Many of you are quite perky in relating a lot of stuff here that might be a
reply to the world as individuals with their own experience or at least lots
of fantasi..But this just won't change the basics nor the fact that the
little bit of sexual freedom (its called that but I don't really know how
free it is) that this post war period connected to the human material were
able to claw out from there nearest tree or drugstore is hardly the final
word. And after every action there is a reaction. And I am afraid that in
political terms and reality we are heading towards a period of reaction
unless we find a way out which goes far beyond the individual right to have
sex in what ever way they consider it to be for them..

The overwhelming majority of people on this planet have NEVER had the little
pityful sexual experimenting that has taken plaace in some of the core
countries and even in the core countries this group is quite small..
So despite all the recent activity on this list that the sex hormones appear
to be causing I doubt that much has changed in the real world. Perhaps what
we are experiencing here at best is a primitive version of cyber sex in some
bizaar form?

PS: Li asks about what would the men on this list say if their
girlfriend/wife was having a sexual affair with a woman?  Well being that I
have only lived with one woman at a time I would probably get extremely
jealous. As I feel it is difficult to live with more then one person at a
time in and all round relationship. But this is because society has moulded
me into this role...And the experiments in collective living are not quite
that numurous in this society.

Of course it could have to do with that I have not evolved very much from
the ape stage of my development.. I am still in the scraching my ass phase!
I do remember that the were lots of collectives back in the haydays of the
late 60ties and early seventies. But they pretty much died off when social
reality in this society
forces many into the classical family and child raising role.

Which reminds me that children irregardless of lesbian test tube babies
effect the sex life of partners so it is far more complicated then just
adult relations and who is screwing what..

So I guess that a whole lot of stuff will have to be tried if and when a
successful revolution takes place to find a way out of the social being and
roles that have been implanted in us by the past societies..

Warm regards
Bob Malecki






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