From: "Bob Malecki" <malecki-AT-algonet.se> Subject: VB: M-TH: Re: Sociobiology Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:46:55 +0200 >>James wrote: >>>But most of all it makes the cardinal error of assuming that compulsive >>>and spontaneous behaviour is therefore a product of natural instinct. >>>But capitalism substantially displaces natural instinct with new kinds >>>of unconscious behaviour, behaviour that is not entirely within our >>>conscious control, without thereby being derived from natural instincts. > Well, Jim appears to have gotten us out of the trees--realizing that the tree we were in exists, I will buy that. But we have still not solved the problem of sexual revolution and how it will be obtained.. Nor is the so called "sexual revolution" in light of say the sixties until today hardly a revolution--but a ripple connected to a very special period of history.. In fact I believe that Jim's application here applies to all the forms which appear to be the last word on sexual liberation (at least on this list) are interconnected and flawed by the preceding period but also the period we are heading into which will be determined by not in the least the crisis of this system which historically needs to apply a blood bath to solve its contradictions. But I think the discussion even on the Internet should be put in its historical perspective. How many so called "porr" sites on the net should be a gage of measurement of the so called sexual revolution. Take a look at the gage and it appears that sexual revolution is not around the next corner.. So then we are once again back in the crude circle which links sex like everything else to the economic system and its institutions.. Only real way out is by eliminating the present system with a better system for all.. This connected to a long transitional period where the communist society will produce really new and free relations which certainly could take quite a number of forms. Not just bi-sexual-homo-sexual-lesbian pr so called straight relationships between man and women. Who knows maybe there will be collective sex parties connected to eating a good dinner and watching the sunrise or set.. But the point is getting there! Many of you are quite perky in relating a lot of stuff here that might be a reply to the world as individuals with their own experience or at least lots of fantasi..But this just won't change the basics nor the fact that the little bit of sexual freedom (its called that but I don't really know how free it is) that this post war period connected to the human material were able to claw out from there nearest tree or drugstore is hardly the final word. And after every action there is a reaction. And I am afraid that in political terms and reality we are heading towards a period of reaction unless we find a way out which goes far beyond the individual right to have sex in what ever way they consider it to be for them.. The overwhelming majority of people on this planet have NEVER had the little pityful sexual experimenting that has taken plaace in some of the core countries and even in the core countries this group is quite small.. So despite all the recent activity on this list that the sex hormones appear to be causing I doubt that much has changed in the real world. Perhaps what we are experiencing here at best is a primitive version of cyber sex in some bizaar form? PS: Li asks about what would the men on this list say if their girlfriend/wife was having a sexual affair with a woman? Well being that I have only lived with one woman at a time I would probably get extremely jealous. As I feel it is difficult to live with more then one person at a time in and all round relationship. But this is because society has moulded me into this role...And the experiments in collective living are not quite that numurous in this society. Of course it could have to do with that I have not evolved very much from the ape stage of my development.. I am still in the scraching my ass phase! I do remember that the were lots of collectives back in the haydays of the late 60ties and early seventies. But they pretty much died off when social reality in this society forces many into the classical family and child raising role. Which reminds me that children irregardless of lesbian test tube babies effect the sex life of partners so it is far more complicated then just adult relations and who is screwing what.. So I guess that a whole lot of stuff will have to be tried if and when a successful revolution takes place to find a way out of the social being and roles that have been implanted in us by the past societies.. Warm regards Bob Malecki --- from list marxism-thaxis-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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