Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 17:31:24 +0000
From: Mark Jones <Jones_M-AT-netcomuk.co.uk>
Subject: Re: M-TH: Rhetorical "Drive" (Socially necessary sex and socially
You're not a Procreationist, are you, Doug?
Doug Henwood wrote:
> Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
>
> >Those words come from and lead them back again to psychoanalysis,
> >sociobiology, biological determinism, anthropocentric views of the natural
> >world--but *not* historical materialism.
>
> "Psychoanalysis" is a bit of an odd-person-out on this list. Sure, some
> psychoanalyts have been Procreationists, but the quote I posted from Freud
> the other day is anything but. And where would Judith But er to this social , I t think there
>is an thropologic vidence that records the orig genesis of
>female genital mutilation. We know, ugh, that the e
>pre- birth of talism. For th o are planning a tri
>New Yor is a ancient n display used in female genital
>m tions in the "Museum of History". How odd is should
>be considered to be l" ry.
>
>Although ctice is mostly centered in certain regions in Afric it
>is o rural areas. eover, ases in other a e world where it is practiced to a lesser degree. tw ill
>practice a ed level in the USA. In , there legal
>case wh woman as for asylum t her from returned
>home to her Afric n country where she would be surely m ted.
>
> may be a pain ic to talk about, but i crucial today
r hundreds of th (if not lions) o men tod a
>i nce in which it is proper for Marxists to (negati judgment n
>a c al and to mo ze st ices. Occasionally,
>feminist organ rganiz gainst female genital m tion.
>These ions be supported.
>
>
>Jerry --- f sts.vill rom owner -thaxis-AT- village.Vir DU Thu 3:23:2 98
Bob Malecki" <malecki-AT-algonet.se>
Subject: SV: SV: M-TH: Lit re lags
Date: Thu, 2 19:33 +0200
Li write
Bob,I know ave gree with Lou,but t you think all the Communists Parties need to be conc ed about the
environment and devlop a coherent plan to deal with these issues ?
Here is a reply to a friend a couple back I read pie Pissing on the work hic". It ed me of
a I had black man from Nigeria uple o . It
also
remin of a ssion going on a few s ago with what I call t "Back ifers". Or going further in t Jerry Rubin,s call
for "Dr uning in, and turning on". You ie e a ars to
a 90 rs unplugg rom the system, in order t more I you use the words "life enrichment piece.
We coming from an fart like me, be s I still furniture I
bought second hand 25 y go, th a ssion that h een going
at
least in dvanced indu ial world, a long after
F World War their t in Germany, (The Bluebird Movement),
predecess the environm movement of tod y. This movement went so
far
as t rmany's p lems, including their eat in the war, as
of corporate ustries.
However, I to lifers, (inclu all of the ing other then a selfish expressi also provincial
expressi of
a trend of g, basically in most advanced industrial nat
th planet. I who cou come with profo s at
the
know that two thirds of the world,s popu und e
tence minimum.
But that, let us go t black man from Ni ia
I men d e r. He was a very an man. He ry man
environment re pus e i of forbi n
of
refrigerators with freon systems. He was first
time
i story, th s w nine , Ni eria has a factory which s
refrigerators with the freon system. The ery ory. He an ry
and s laughing at me. I have in my two room apartment a refrigerator
and
a freezer, (this is standard here in Sweden and many other advanced
i du trial
cou ies). He said here in Sweden the climate six months a is so
cold you d t even need a refri ator" and in quatorial ountries,
where tem ally warm y ar round, we have been to poo have
refri erators. in Africa it is really hot, refrigerators are a necessity
because food rots! He was saying that now Ni e ns finally the
s of n, to produce our own refri ator the people in
the advanced cou tries t to forbid us from ! Now ou illing to give the industrial apac produce non neon bas ystems?
Obviously t nswer is no ced indu ial ountries ever
given
th rd cou tries anyt except colonialism, o essi , and ery.
So ading ie e, I t, how utter elf-centred a azy we
have be in t called "advanced post indu t l society". only
lazy, but we have or a ng to y which justifies
our
"indiv al" fr om, in p-out which justifies lea e
sta ng two thirds of humanity, inclu ing the lions o nempl ed in ced cou tries to STARVE...I wonder what indiv dual
freedom s e two thirds of humanity ve n asted the
mate lism and kruptcy ecaying advanced post industrial society?
However, I do not t to be accused oralising n o believe
that e w n talk about your goal of iv al freedom that e should at leas d three squa s a day and a house and toilet ith clean water for humanity.
Now let's back t lifers. There i ogy ot differ
so from yours Tom. en I once lived a few s in my life wo
donkeys. I th that talking to donkeys made s much sense talk . So for months I lived with my donkey alked to m. act my t ng went along he line our g,
"Fuck st indu ial world". However, that ot me hat we do
not have to t onsi ty and work for a ter world, especially the two third ot had to experience that sort of fe. ean condem nal production of ecessities
of life.
I can hones hat it would be great to work in a tory
pr ing toilets so veryone on this planet ta decent shit
a ave clean wa o wash thei ith afterwards. That ot an working in actory e, space designed, futuristic ld
pla oilets, werful. However, the gist o ie e
i t work in a ory ! Work ou is a burden, a
ma of p es, the o ite of freedom . I have a you Tom. Would you be willin work in a ory wh s goa a t toilet for humanity to a shit in? ly, a
ory owned and run e humanity in t eir interes ot
profit... would! act that n ities
of life should be d in a very organ sed and r way. ory
pr duc ndreds of th ds of toilets in a tiona y for people
to t shit in would be just great.
Now to J Rubi d the Yippies, (turned yuppie). Jerry was also into
th s shit, that ng, for a e. He made a lot oney on
it a ater on di rich st broker. He appealed to the youth of
America. The youth a t t st Se World War baby
boom of spoiled ts. en here in Swede ion has ing
except talk bubbles and inherit their relatives money. They built
ing! toda ey are having their 40 and 50 y ar old crisises. The
big now, what a goin do now hat expe ced
everything? O nding thei kids to private school wor ng about
g latest in compu echnology. From iece I the feeling
t ou are some sort of advice give just these t es of p
i the bottom line o ur piece.
However, reality u lly has a way ing down our heads sooner or ter ve couple o hundred miles ay from Russia. Russia
there
are 8 or 9 hundred millio !) who literally have not got a p o
piss
in literally spe g aft e disintegration of he Union. They
also
atomic bombs and ballistic missiles, which you can't eat. , along
with the other two thirds of humanity, includin 30 lion or so in the
Unite tates liv ng horrible itions, certainly make it hard for to believe that ropping ou living can solve an he problems this overwhelm ajority of living on this plane
I saved the Bluebird Movement from ost First World War Germany for last.
They
th f Germany's p lem's were of indu trialism. They,
as
said bas fuck ories and all the rest would freedom.
lity
o ed the way Nazi's!, who put Germany back o work. Well the
historical
ss has han since then. In act fa once again sing
its head in Europe. Ca t p ion forces a ecaying as
inter-imp ist rivalries . The Communi the p ble stormed the gates of heaven in Pari uri great French Re on betrayed by the Stalinists only an r you have Tom is, Fuck
job
enrichment
Well, I ly t ink t least two third of humanity have the rig to
demand more then "Pissing on the Work Ethic". In fact the Paris Commune
that died on the barricades defending our sts,
(our sts ing the two thirds of humani hat t have anyt ),
des t en that. closing I think I have that ie only a selfish,
capit ion t spoiled brat generation of he 40 , Jerry
Rubin was smar ou, he made a lot of money preeching this shit of
dro ng out. You, the Fascists won't have to bui s chamber for your honest and w probably s ve to death be that. Or are
ust a aling hildren post Second World War t
g neration w give you some advice from and fart, Don't...
Because t post wa oiled brats of the forties have alr ipped
off all the pro World War. It ta e a World War to
create the itions, in this system, to create enough wealth for your
children and your grandchildren each this dro ou shit. price will
be the millions and millions e proba can e avoided, wever
I believe that one s. Elementary solidarity s ng
ut and t g responsi ty for the two thirds of humanity on the net
who dr ed in orde dro out ally I h you do n a his p lly ssion ar
important for that. Especially the ssion around the post war 40
g n who talked alo grabbed everyt they . The
left a e pension f ey are goin grab that too
sts.vill r -thaxis-AT-jeffers e.Vir D 3:23:3 98
rom: "Bob Malecki" <malecki-AT-algo se> SV: SV: Vanguard ?
Date: Thu, 2 19:53:0 200 Nancy reply Bob..
>>Wel yes I am ngu st! nd yes of our history/ / ics
>>is certainly vi today s it has for a number of des
going
>> t the o cess revolution in mod ry October..
>
>October 1917? Successful would expect a "success ul" communi t
revolution
>t ast long he et Union d and to t r record r women, ethn y, environm nt, especially
Yes October 1917 successful. In act the o ly prolet on in
h
But t confuse and trotsk s October with the Stalinists..This is
sical liberal redbaiting....
bob
>
>>W ut it mmm No! O urs that is why I belong o
nist v uard..
N ..
>
>What, oh what, c he v ngu rd do t the s?
Nope! ay around. Without t rkers van rd --no
re on..
bob
>
>The class ts although revolutionar h its
>>position in society is naturally effecte he present dominating
i y nd it w only be the Communist Van rd who can go eyond daily
> nc or trade on conc ess..
Nancy
>Go beyond? To re?
Beyond the p t system h o esse Bob
>> cou ter q ion here to the list.. Especially Nancy
you ink women themselves in the same position th ing a women's
> mponent of a communist v n rd. Or are women the yoke s
>>society a ne big happy family? just ree them
>>selves..Sort ike win's of e on...I doubt it
>>my .
N ncy..
> urs you doub se you your way e only way. o,
>I don't hat women need a onent of mmunist
van uard."
>I do think that the more women and men who the i of hat
>partic ory, democratic ss can bring revolutio change, and )
t by working to we can the world greater wi e the
>potential of all of th essed sm to create communism >the f in h
Yeah sure Nancy's liber pipedream..Do you reall ink he bourge ie
are going to h over By de n rd can xist in a participatory moveme There
> alw eople who are more activ more involved than
>others, bu should d themselve ilitators, not as
>van u sts: as followers, not as leaders ctivating cor revolutio ary ment ts princ ples, p ose, practice, and --
>not any indiv dual ndiv duals.
Oh reall ! Where in ry ou dr expe e from. Or ipedream.."facilitators" ere do you pick this stuff To my mind nder of Bob's is not more than tired
>sec an gibberish which nd a few other ers of his sect may or may
>not and s "label ea " t gh which communi ion occurs
only
>between who sha e und rstanding of w Stalinist" s,
> August 1914" eans, w Trotskyist" me c. Bob and comrades
>have a olut mpact ide of the wn little cell meetings,
because
>they addres selve only to each other -- the op ed of the
world.
Wan bet it le sec of Lenin's a ally history! nd we
for as communists "August 1919" and t it me nt t prolet t. The lessons are in ed in the od illion it was
the same position I ha Vietnam h eve th my adv ist and pro
chatholic illusions alw at one had to "Turn the guns ound"...What you doing Nancy--facil ng I my have read Trotsk and I have read Marx s possible to adopt
and
corporate some of their principles a re onary , but have to be written in term one can and --
not
>just the sect s.
" " Wh d how they be writ ..
Warm Regards
Bob Malecki st marxis v inia.ED :23:39 1998
Bob Malecki" <malecki-AT-algonet e> SV: SV: Little red flags
Date: 19:40 +0200
Nancy again!
>Yeah ob? an petty bourgeo ird world green
> ogy? Easy for you , sit ing the your indu trial d world.
>
>Nancy
Be s Jim eply about the working c inclu my lf g any
responsi for this system.. ould like to add that I live in a
semi-colonia rt f Scandin a. The artic nor act their is a whole ea and a s so c d advanced mini-imperi state t re
treated just like any onial ou t over a third of his long cou try has a history of a pr er of raw timber and
mining plus w ter power in the form of electricity indu t l
powerhouse South..
act there is and inde ence ment here that t low
all the bridges he level of "Sunds l" about the middle o Sweden. The
o thing historically s world that has exported is
onsc armie uring the military expans r hase here in
Sweden. T not only upied Denm but Poland land and of
Russia..
In the early 1900 hundreds nearly million immigrants mostly from the
north to America. It as her im rate or die ting "barkbr " ade
from the bark of tree Although some indu t y did develop in the nort after the second war
it wa ry s e entire nor till tod y is and export of w terials..
Now with European integration re seeing o gain massive de-pop ion
of the north h has lerated in the 8 s. The indu t y orked
riving and alunin m h pump d out about 30 tons f aluminium
o ch shift has antled a d sent o a er d med workers
state and set with cheaper labor c earer t the "market" B e way nter-imp ist riva y grows indu t ies be placed
i the imp list centers y prepare for wa So chirp my littl ber an..You wouldn't hat onia ere s they hi ou in the ass... le towns and villages up
here are once bec ng "spook cities" like the elopment of
s like Oklahoma and est Virginia in t e states far as Proyect a leeing indians and liberal guilt tripping
tai h ngs..But prolet n revolution the
least in t e third world cou tries hich post war development gave al
young new prole an for the leas be the beac t
set of a new ro of p ole an revolutio s. But still t
pr let n revolutio in one or two mp ialist centers we are in
d shit t a paddle...
The South African Prolet is a eat example f how a pr let revolutio lead to not changing the fac Africa but w e a
dagger in the heart of imp ist America with its power black
prole t What have you got Nancy that can give us a way out Rambling "Shivas" and
whi ot do it..Like I said the future especially or women in strong women's sections o mmunist . thos d huge new layers of prole an women that h ve come o of post WW2 development that could be the est and m edi ed f rs..
Not guilt tri ng liberal greenism that Proyect is into today..Nor ber ge..
Warm ds
Bob Malecki
- s -
Fro v D 3:38:1 98
From: ox bcox .cmp. Histori rate ( H: Re: )
Date: Thu, 2 3 :57 -0 (C Charles write :
<<What Marx usi word ral many time from anu pt on sexual ? en if this is an error, this
passage vidence that it is . rx s i unique urren f a hip as direc natural
and social.
Also, saying somet tural ot inherently categor it
negati or as inferi the "social" or "hi al".>>
[SNIP
The * ss* are sting, and I don't want t dismiss them nd
o orks p o *Poverty of Philo hy*) as s y idealist as
usse Bettelheim do, but are, really, private noteb s, not
considered exposition of d any of us who noteb oks knows
how bullshit urnals t in ionally spout. s
feeling his way to "being Marxist." Not solid can be bas
s e c ons from or word cou ts of th se notebooks.
N turalism is nearly as tautology-ridden as sect of
Trotskyism. (I don't cit to hand) as Marx ly pointed out, all domesti ed plan the result of
"artificial" breeding. Farming is about as far ay from " as you can g and in fact only emer after 1 000 y ars +/- of indu t ial
development. A steel mil r stealth bomber is r r closer to " are "gardens in t e city." e could sa t humans "naturally"
erect buildings, while dens are the result of s -civ lized beh or.
I st impossible to use t rd "natural" t falling into
nonsense.
s v D :40:02 39:53 From: Doug Henwood <dhenwood m> H: Yoshie's latest question Gerald Levy Harrington is a social democrat. Enuf said?
He's also dead. chae oover, though far from dead.
Doug
- -thaxis-AT- effers hu Apr 2 14:18:52 1998
Bob Malecki" <malecki-AT-algo et.se> SV: M-TH: Channel 4 apologi for Living blunder
Date: Thu, 2 36 +0200
rites gleefully!
>UK's Ch 4 TV has een forced to apolog for its worst eve broadcas ungle decisi show LM's crazed ' nst
>Nature' show , in which cuddly FoE spokeswomen were
>likened to Goering and Hi global warming deni
>given five minutes of fame.
>
>It' ve climbdown which has knoc big chu off nnel
>4's footsie price. The LM how, which featured guru Frank
>Furedi inte ewed against tastefully overlit dro s, produced
>outrage th hout B sh poli from the
>left even to embarr d rightwing backers of LM.
>
>Mark
Your Stalinist gg ng go s are showing threw here Mark. I e M
and its rig t to do soap o s! nd it is disgus hat dia branch
capit ou pressu ilence ir p f
view..The only wh et tform are fa cists in my book. And I
tainly do n t think that th M cr or Jim are fascists like Proyect
backhande ies t hem .
In sical Stalinist styl gloat over si cing "freedom of speech"
and do this gleefully..
Defend LM st gag s and gleeful Stalinist cheerlead this
stuff..
Warm ds
Bob Malecki st marxis -thaxis-AT- effers D 2 14:18:52 1998
rom: "Bob Malecki" <malecki-AT-algonet.se>
Subject: SV: : Anarchi ogies
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 26:53 +0200
O
reply ng to Gary..
Gary,
I could be satirical and say chara sed archy of p i but I agree with t spirit of t e saying, and I deno the
effort to build in Russia s hat
easy to build t , s ency is not g
fulfilled. I would say it is neither
n ocialism.
Hi Charlie..
Try readi enin's "Stat revolutio " --it works both In my nion, ing c ass
is sort f ying posssum in Rus p d the Cold War. l direc ly anarchic or anti- , to end t Cold War by "surrender".
Thin re contradictory, the "anarch there
is not pro-worker, but i may ex endency co adictory to the n mess goin
on.
Sure Charlie! "playing possum"..How about beh ed of any
re olutionar leadership ecades.. The rest of your stuf s based on
fucking my ticism and a do nshevism..
Warm egards
Bob Malecki
sts.vill r -thaxis-AT- v D hu Apr 2 15:0 98
message from your leader
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 98 08:04:08 -0 om: Bill Cochr <bc1961-AT-xtra.co.nz>
S O
Thaxis doesnt have any of l per day posts but when
st posting 20 posts a day most would this is
excessive and in fact prevents ssion as few have t to address
even a s percentage of the posts esides think of me havin read 57 posts cieved yesterday xis matters So try and the volume down.
Ch s
Bill Cochrane
Ngaruawahia
New Z and
sts.vill .edu --- rxism-thaxis-AT- v D hu Apr 2 15:05:39 1998
Paul W ght" <wight-AT-global co.u Lit red flags
Date: Thu, 2 1:01:07 +0100
O
Louis writes:
> gth s way are a ch of p iv leged white b s in
>England lo of dispos income ale, Pearson est
>idi o show up hatter his ved Saab 9000 are all upp middl ass university or techni mpl yees.
he means me!!
(Lighten up a bit louis, you l give yours a hernia all t is bile
spit i
I should co ess to being a fraud at the upp r middle ss bit, my beloved
car
is 11 y ars th 7,000 es o , but mind you t poli des ing but the best (yes, even Louis).
I wouldn't h e are _no_ enviroment oblems, there proba ly
are, and alw have bee its just th olv , especially
in a r as they a oblem eings.
ds,
Paul
s r rxism-thaxis-AT- effers village.Vir inia.ED 2 1 :4 pr 1998 1 5:40 : Yoshie Furuhashi <Furuhashi.1-AT-os : M-TH: nc pation of n o m? C
>The main minds that h be d about male
> sm are men's not w .
A e also wrot sha t this ar ent w ave two
>women g that I am anyt ing but an ally on this
who need e changed here?
Yoshie
sts.vill r effers v inia.EDU Thu 5:3 2 1998
Date: Thu, 1998 1 9:1 500
From: Louis Proyect <lnp3-AT- M-TH: Lit le red flags
Paul ght that eople des ve n thing b best es, Louis).
>
S he USA in your Ch vrole .
Join the Pepsi revolutio .
For quick ef, t Alka-Seltzer.
Drop int GAP. u' hand h t Life. ut a ti in your ank.
You des ve a br ak today.
I ita Bana and I here t ly t e friend kies of United.
Tide dirt's out
s rxism-thaxis-AT- e inia.ED 2 15:33:55 , 2 pr 1998 1 :32:40 : e Furuhashi <Furuhashi.1 .edu>
H: Little red flags
Louis P
> is not a matter of "concern". I of political e
>The n that pe in t e imp list nat ons have a higher ard of
>livi s exploitation. Coffee, tea, bana as, oil, sugar, >tobacco, cotton, rice, cho ate, rubber, diamonds l si ver, >been acte from underdeveloped countries. These
m ities end in the br adbasket imp ialist nat It explo on.
The term explo tati I th ught, refers to extraction of s lus v lue
from labo herever it is , and not just from labo periphery.
Are you using it for a rhetoric t? you somet ing like
-explo t rker periphery?
that in ad you ay be using _sho and_ often.
I it r explained by rative advan es of the cor t
n created through imp ialism r conditions created
by imp ialist nat ons set limit he manne su quent development
i the peripher ys in which terdependence betwe mp ial
itary hegemony and local ruling c asse (esp ith sta in
int action of n es er with m nat onals) ensured underdevelopment of the dome market + underinvestment n the riphery equal terms of trade, protectionism of core countries, xport
s idies of core cou ies, how the ebt crisis ha tate t
t fer of capital from the ipher cor , b n d n, imp ial
contro intellectual property, nd so forth?
You may h can be in the end reduced to
explo t but I hat a closer ow o have a ssion.
Yoshie
r e village.Vir inia.ED 5:38:06 , 1 :38:03 : es Br ct: Re: ion and Super ation Marx and 's were n ote r m ng
knowledge n the direc the s atural.
The impact of was to e knowledge
lly In ssing sex in the age ,
Marx ot a ing against that treated
the s bject more naturall n he, but el us and s atural dealist explanat ons.
This is the g ontext, f words h
spe k mselves.
ion as to ere views o SEX is not promine this debate, or the= following p e would have to be addr more frequen in the ssion.
d the first entence. If that is not a zed rose nor and repeated i erent w rds throughout
= (quote The direc ecessary of person to person is e re n to w . In this -relationship,man'
hip to n s i dia his s his elation t man d ly h to ature - his own destinat In this hi is sensuously manifeste educed to an rv , xtent o h the h essence has or to hich nature to him has ecome the human essen f man. From this elationship on c herefore judge man's whole leve development. From racter of th ationship follows how an as a s - , , as has to be himself and to comprehend himself; the re f m o woman e most r e f human o h . It there reveals x to hich the h man essen e in has e a natural essen e - the extent o which his human nature has ome t essen e -the extent to hich is human nature has t atural to him hi revea x ent o which man's need has e a human need; the extent to which ore other son as a son e for a n - x ent t which he in ndiv dual t s at
same a s (Ec mic and Ph hic cripts of 1844) End of .
The "in dual" is o the intimate in t e
sentence. addres es Carrol esearch on story of d its cri 20
o intimacy For communists the "one dual,
s o the "two" naturall culturally or social Ye n natural more litar n the human, who e
al. So approp te
heavily l, ex the sour f iv dual
litar one, ch ter For the l is less social or more al.
and all the hum du is c al
or s atural a n i that e are most a l, Yes ?
B.
s .edu --- s effers v inia.ED 2 15:39:1 98
Date: Thu, 2 15:39:1 500
From: Doug Henwood <dhenwood-AT- m Lit le re lags Paul W g I wouldn at there are _no_ enviroment problems, proba ly
>are, and al have bee , its just y are all solv , especial y
>in a far y are p lems for e
If that isn't he most p ound I've r all day!
How do you know: "pro ly" are environment ms,
al have been, and "they a e all solv ble" Sorry o nitpick, but e
answers ren't obvious from the xt. I you d know these
th ngs, o u otherwis wouldn't aid them, right?
Doug
s .edu ---
Fr effers v inia.ED hu Apr 2 1 :42:04 , 2 Apr 98 15:41:48 EST
From: boddhisatva <kb ns : M-TH: ology
C. Heartfield,
Wel , as usual musing, but I feel that ou know an extre hile I am a ing a middl ound. I don't hat
DN contro our s, bu it makes chin the way it does.
Obviously humans are n t a "departure from e on" and, at the
same time o one ca asonably at DN makes our society. DN
o ol ocie si who have had long st p le t to e e with a ly
si ilar g of higher a ls act dif depending on t
"economy Sh s show er "in t" if t aren't
t atened by pre ors. Wolves and coyotes form ot a f
dif t s ing on t e t of terr nd prey. So among
s, socio 't work. However, it is true that a s ciety
located where the amount ght es idely with t e seasons e differe as a society ause of the effec the b es of
i div dual e If I inject you with dopamine manic, ith testosterone ag ve and horn d estrogen moody. If n't
aware se hormone e been administere lame your mood
change somet ing his h een demon ated and again. Our
r ity can captive to our chemistry. I u don't believe me, schizophrenic. ou may e larly intereste in a woman at
ten f , but her into rms and your m can han
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I didn't describe prom s somet ba good, I si ply
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From: boddhisatva <kb vans-AT- : M-TH: Availa ty ( ology us: O
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peace
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From: "C ci.de mi.us -TH: Apoligie too many posts
B ll,
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From: boddhisatva <kbevans com> : SV: -TH: Against the N zation of Het ( s
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Bob,
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orders re radi x.
peac -thaxis-AT- sts.vill e v inia.ED 2 1 :09:4 98
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 98 1 09:34 EST
From: boddhisatva <kb vans c : M-TH: Comparative ies
oshie,
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peac
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Date: Thu 2 Apr 98 1 :03:02 EST
From: boddhisatva <kb vans com> : Re: F g it
oshie,
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