File spoon-archives/marxism-thaxis.archive/marxism-thaxis_1998/marxism-thaxis.9805, message 163


Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:18:36 +0100
From: Hugh Rodwell <m-14970-AT-mailbox.swipnet.se>
Subject: M-TH: Re: Waterman vs history


Here's Waterman's global retreat from this exchange, more's the pity.

So much for serious historical argument from "libertarian Marxists", out of
the discussion before it gets off the ground. Note the completely vague
reference to "lifeless categories", too -- for safety's sake without a
single concrete example.

Anyway, as someone once said, you can ignore history, but history won't
ignore you.

Cheers,

Hugh
___________________


Hugh Rodwell is certainly right that the rhetorical strategy of irony
assumes an audience in sympathy with the author...

I think he may be wrong in his assumption that the effective tool
against it is the rhetorical strategy of finger-wagging political
correctness. I would have thought it should be, maybe, an ironic
response.

Rather than continuing to block out useful information and new ideas
with what might be called `red-out' (boring the pants off real human
beings with a spectral dance of lifeless categories - and taking the
piss out of such), I now declare my retirement. The score is,
therefore,  History (According to Hugh) 1: Waterman 0.

Anyone wishing to take the piss out of me can find some of my
actually-existing arguments on my so-far experimental website, Global
Solidarity. Feel free.

I am already receiving fully-deserved hate-mail for having provoked
this dialogue of the deaf. Mea culpa, mea culpa. The flesh was
willing but the spirit (trained in the school of stalinist
falsifiers) was weak. I sentence myself to the death of a thousand
silences. Well, two or three..

pw

`Communication is the nervous system of internationalism
and solidarity' (Jose Carlos Mariategui, Lima, c.1923)

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