Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:45:19 -0400
From: "Charles Brown" <charlesb-AT-CNCL.ci.detroit.mi.us>
Subject: Re: M-TH: Dana International....


  Rebecca
    Regarding the below, how about being determines consciousness discontinuously ? Primarily and ultimately, nature determines culture, but in the mean time , in between time, ain't we got fun ? and fancy ?
    Humans are animals and superanimals. Our bodily instincts are sublated by history and culture - preserved and overcome. History is determined by the struggle between nature and culture, including our bodily natures, such as they are preserved, and our historically constituted bodies.
        Nature puts limits on bodily categories. It is necessary but not sufficient in determining bodily categories. We have not utterly transcended our earthly natural bodies.
                                    Charles Brown

>>> "Rebecca" <wellsfargo-AT-tinet.ie> 05/12 8:56 AM >>>
Rebecca: Hi Michael

Michael: The body determines class and class determines the body.

Rebecca: According to the above sentiment body as a natural category
determines the specific historical forms of social categories. If this is
true then  this precludes the existence of history since the bodies that
existed 5000 years ago are essentially the same as the ones that exist
today. Consequently the position occupied by people would be merely natural
and not historical. There would then be no significant difference between us
and the beasts.

If body determines class and thereby history then it is rather surprising
that the body, of our friend, the mouse has not led to to the development of
class relations among mice.




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