Date: Wed, 09 Nov 1994 16:00:22 EST From: tgs-AT-cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu Subject: Justin, democracy is a two-edged sword Justin, Thanks for the recent post on market socialism. When I have the time, I want to respond to it at length. But here's a point I want to make now: You say that Andrew and I are foolish that democracy is the solution for planning. In democracy, you have said many times, my single consumer input/vote gets lost among a million others. Let's accept this for the sake of the argument (I'll trash it in a bit). You also say, however, that in your market socialist scheme, there will be not only a market run by producers, in their individual firms, but also a DEMOCRATIC state, which will regulate this market to see to it that it does not become inegalitarian. My point: Your centrallized state model of democracy would work not better with market socialism than it works with planning. How can my vote, lost among a million others, stop corruption? Yet I would also argue that centralized "democracy" is intrinsic to market socialism models, because, as I have said, the producers act as private groups within a market, and are thus subject to inter-group conflicts of interest. Thus a "strong" centralized state is necessary to keep these conflicts in check. In the hopelessly utopian model of democratic planning, however, the producers form a public within the economy, and have very strong common interests. Therefore, a strong centralized state is not needed. What is needed, and what is eminently possible, for and with democratic planning , is a decentralized democracy, a la the Paris Commune. With local, regional, and national assemblies SHARING power as is appropriate, my vote counts for much more. Regards, Tom ------------------
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