Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 10:48:49 -0500 From: quilty-AT-philos.umass.edu (Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters) Subject: Re: patriarchs and dead patriarchy (Justin-Tom) Phillip Goldstein writes: What would Friedrich Engels, who ran his family's manufacturing company, say about the following point? LaClau and Mouffe, who I have not read but only heard about, argue (supposedly) that one's class is not determined by money or authority or any of that, but instead by the position one takes in the struggle against capitalism. There are thus pro-capitalist wage workers and socialist CEO's. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ There seems to be an odd conflation here by Goldstein. There's probably a different conflation at work in LaClau and Mouffe also, but I don't want to try to *do* them right now. Neither 'pro-capitalist' nor 'socialist' are the names of class positions. They're both names of ideological/political stances. As for as those go, it's quite unquestionable that both proletarians and bourgeoisie sometimes hold each opinion (though the former predominates in both groups). I don't think *anyone* ever really thought class-position mechanically determined political-position (but there are *tendencies*, of course ;-)). Yours, Lulu... quilty-AT- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/ THIS MESSAGE WAS BROUGHT TO YOU BY:_/_/_/_/_/ v i philos. _/_/ Postmodern Enterprises _/_/ s r umass. _/_/ MAKERS OF CHAOS.... _/_/ i u edu _/_/_/_/_/ LOOK FOR IT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD NEAR YOU_/_/_/_/_/_/ g s ------------------
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