Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 20:25:30 -0500 (EST) From: Justin Schwartz <jschwart-AT-freenet.columbus.oh.us> Subject: Re: paris commune On Mon, 31 Oct 1994 tgs-AT-cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu wrote: > My sense is this communication space is elastic--a lot more than many > of the needs you say only the market can provide for. > > OK, this is your argument. But I would never want to join an organization > like this (again). i find it to be a recipe for elitism and unaccountability, > and have found it to be so. The comrades in charge of labor work are > responsible to the group as a whole to carry out the group's political positions > and to be active vs. lazy. > > HOw can you say you agree with Dewey's Public and its Problems, and yet > argue that the fractions inside a revolutionary party ought to act like > interest groups, with whatever favoritisim, cronyism, lack > of > criticisim and clicquism the members > of the interest group allow? Actually I do not see how this avoidable. See Michael Rogin's essay in his RONALD REAGAN > THE MOVIE on interest groups. Democracy is there to prevent this, by > providing universality to combat the corruptions of insular particularity. Yes, so? > What's good for the society is good for the group attempting to change it: > it was this kind of double standard which led to the terrible errors the > Bolsheviks made once in power. The view that the party is merely an instrument > of change, not thereby properly a microcosm of what the new society ought > to be like, is responsible for the overcentralism of democratic centralism, > where there's a rigid line to which everyone must adhere, etc.. You're just > taking that old double standard of "democratic centralism" and applying it to > apologize for an equally undemocratic "pluralist" organization. I wasn't arguing from the idea that a party (which Solidarity is not) is a mere instrument of change, so exempt from democratic constraints. I was suggesting what I had to be persuaded that a small voluntary group with a particular purpose is appropriately governed by the same democratic principles as a large involuntary group (society) which cannot be said to have a purpose at all. Democracy is appropriate and necessary for small groups. But it has to be a democracy which is appropriate for small groups. As to whether Solidarity is democratic, well, we disagree on that. > > NO offense. But I do think that a forum on Marxism ought to talk about > questions of revolutionary organization. Yes. I just don't have much novel to say about this. --Justin Schwartz ------------------
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