Date: Mon, 08 Aug 94 09:56 CDT From: Andy Daitsman <ADAITS-AT-macc.wisc.edu> Subject: Re: Re[2]: marx/stalinism Well, I take a couple of days off from the Marxism list, and come back to find the Marx-Stalin debate *essentially* resolved. Still, I want to add a couple of comments. First, is there a "close connection" between Marx and Stalin, and, collaterally, do people who hold that there is take a "right-wing" position? In my first post, I argued that the Marx-Stalin relationship is mediated by Lenin. The act of mediation implies at least two facts: 1) there is *a* relationship, or connection if you will; 2) the relationship is not a close one. In other words, the Stalinist aberration is an interpretation of an interpretation, which makes the relationship of the second order. Marx *is* implicated in Stalin, to the exact same degree that a parent is "implicated" in the actions of one of his/her grandchildren. Marxists or post-Marxists do have to consciously come to grips with this fact: one interpretation of Marxism produced Stalinism. It would be arrogant of us, even Stalinist, to contend that there is a "true" Marxism lurking somewhere that is somehow unimplicated in the Stalinist aberration; Stalinism, that is, really is a valid reading of Leninism, and Leninism really is a valid reading of Marx. But just because Marxism *is* implicated in Stalinism does not mean that it *always* will result in Stalinism. To argue this, it seems to me, is to fall back into teleological and deterministic reasoning. In fact, not only are other "valid" readings of Marx possible, historical experience tells us that they have occurred and have produced interesting results. I'm not sure why Phil takes the position he does on the Frankfurt School, which is that at root it is a right-wing deviation of Marxism. To me it is an alternative reading of Marx, mediated differently from the Russo-Soviet school. (By which I acknowledge the Czarist origins of Stalinism, but still link the ideology back to the Marxist tradition.) I am not at all convinced that the left-right distinction makes a whole lot of sense these days -- maybe it does if we want to develop a class-based analysis of politics, but I just don't know what a "left" ideology is, and much less does the term "right-wing Marxism" make sense to me. (Brief commercial announcement, if Chris Sciabarra is reading this thread: I am working on a response to your Left-Right post, but I'm doing some research and the materials haven't arrived yet...) Second, like Gene (and perhaps Phil, but with all his masks I'm not sure) I think that a reinterpretation of Marx is necessary. I actually also think that a lot of it has already been done, and we are well on the way towards a theoretically valid Marxist critique of capitalism. I'm not sure about the following point though: Gene writes: > But this weeding out of Hegelianism leaves Marx's critique of > capitalist political economy pretty much intact -- which I take to be > the "basic model or plant" of Marxism anyway. (Here I may come close > to reproducing Jon's earlier "thesis on marxism" whereby Marx got the > economics right and the politics wrong; as I see it, the political > question does remain open in Marxism.) > > So here's where I think we finally disagree: I feel that the "basic > plant" of Marxism -- the critique of capitalist political economy -- > is still healthy, but that various political offshoots of this > critique (often but not always inspired by Hegelian philosophy of > history) have proven disastrous. These should be pruned so as to let > 1,000 other branches bloom. > > Gene Holland Now the part about 1,000 blossoms, er branches, I don't have any problem with, nor do I differ that the "basic plant" of Marxism is the critique of capitalist political economy, but I really do have doubts about that plant's health. I mean, apologies to Chris Nagle, but what the hell have we been doing with this whole LTV debate anyway? It seems to me that we have raised serious questions *within a Marxist or Marxian discourse* about the validity of the central basis for the Marxist critique. We are moving very far from our origins, to the point that the critique we develop would perhaps be unrecognizable to an original, orthodox, or classical Marxist, but our inspirations are Marxist, and the path we follow developed out of the one originally blazed by a genius in the last century. For me, that's what's important -- that our theory be sound, and our motivation to create a better world during our own lifetimes. See ya, Andy ******************************************************************************** Andy Daitsman + "Without complete freedom of the press Department of History + there can be neither liberty nor University of Wisconsin, Madison + progress. But with it one can barely adaits-AT-macc.wisc.edu + maintain public order." + Domingo Sarmiento -- El Mercurio, 1841 ******************************************************************************** ------------------
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