Subject: Welcome to marxism
Welcome to MARXISM.
MARXISM is an electronic forum for discussion and experimentation rooted
in both the work of Karl Marx and, more generally, the tradition(s) that
work has inspired since. MARXISM is an open list - all interested parties
are invited and encouraged to participate.
To subscribe to MARXISM,
send the message: subscribe marxism
to: majordomo-AT-world.std.com.
Subscription is automatic unless you use an address that the majordomo
software does not recognize or are already subscribed at another address,
in which case the request will be forwarded to the list-owner for
approval, which may take a few days.
To unsubscribe,
send the message: unsubscribe marxism
to: majordomo-AT-world.std.com
Unsubscriptions are also automatic unless you send your request from a
different e-mail address from the one at which you are subscribed. Those
requests will also go to the list-owner for approval.
To get a list of the MARXISM members,
send the message: who marxism
to majordomo-AT-world.std.com
The MARXISM list has been conceived as a place to explore the field of
textual and political production generated by the work of Karl Marx (and
Friedrich Engels).
Clearly, this field encompasses a diversity of differing traditions and
figures, from Lenin and Luxemburg to Williams and West; the complete A to Z
from Althusser to Zizek, one might say. It is not the intention of the
moderators of this list that any particular tradition or orthodoxy should
receive more attention or more "allegiance" on this list than any other.
Indeed, the moderators see little particular benefit in calling themselves
"Marxists" and scarcely require participants in the list's discussion
necessarily to identify themselves as "Marxists" either.
Rather, the list should be a forum for open engagement and enquiry with all
aspects of these Marxist traditions--and we hope that this will be an
interdisciplinary engagement, bringing together historians, economists,
sociologists, artists, literary critics, philosophers and so on.
Furthermore, while it is anticipated that the list will be primarily
"academic" in nature, this is by no means meant to devalue or prevent
contributions from activists or others outside the formal educational
system.
List discussion may range from exegetical discussion of particular texts
to creative appropriations of the texts across a variety of disciplines.
One purpose of the list is to conduct "group readings" of particular
works or passages from Marx and/or others in the Marxist tradition. At
times, the list may seem quite focused on such readings, but they tend
to disseminate in a wide variety of interesting and unpredictable ways.
Also, MARXISM is always open for comments, inquiries and texts on any
subject related to Marx and/or Marxism. Those engaged in research will
find the list members a valuable source of feedback and bibliographical
suggestions.
MARXISM is an "unmoderated" list in the sense that all posts to marxism-AT-
world.std.com are forwarded to the whole list without being reviewed or
approved by anyone. MARXISM is also something of an electronic
community, which is self-governing and self-policing. Ordinary respect
and courtesy towards other list members is expected, and flame wars are,
of course, discouraged. Recognizing, however, that disputation is the norm
in politics, threads will not be interupted simply because the tone grows
heated, as it sometimes does. Yet openness and toleration of difference are
to be valued above dogmatism (of whatever stripe).
Each list member is asked to help make the list work by being an active
participant--posting when you have something to contribute and letting
the rest of the list know when something happens on the list that concerns
you and that you would like the rest of the list to consider.
MARXISM is brought to you by the Spoon Collective, a group of Net
citizens devoted to free and open discussion of philosophical issues on
the Internet. Based on the Collective's philosophy, PLEASE BE AWARE THAT
POSTS CONTAINING LANGUAGE OR DEALING WITH SUBJECT MATTER THAT SOME MIGHT
FIND OFFENSIVE MAY APPEAR ON THE LIST FROM TIME TO TIME, AND SUCH POSTS
WILL NOT BE CENSORED. For that reason, if you are not interested in
receiving such posts, please do not subscribe. If you are already
subscribed, please unsubscribe.
Please address any questions, comments, or concerns that are not
appropriate for the list as a whole to any or all of the list
moderators:
Flannon Jackson (fjackson-AT-diana.cair.du.edu),
Jon Beasley-Murray (jbmurray-AT-alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
or Seamus Malone (ReDionysus-AT-aol.com).
--------------
From: Jonathan Beasley Murray <jbmurray-AT-alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Marxism: a first introduction!
To: marxism-AT-world.std.com
Hey everyone. I guess this is the first post to the new "marxism" list.
Well, I thought I'd kick things off with an introduction. It would be
helpful if as many people as are now signed up on the list felt free to
say hi and introduce themselves, with perhaps particular attention to the
extent of their engagement with marxist texts, or their reasons for being
on the list, etc. etc.
In particular, it would be helpful if we started a loose discussion as to
how those signed up to the list thought the list should conduct itself.
The moderators' ideas are, in the main, outlined in the "info" text. In
addition, however, we thought we might begin a "reading" in the near
future and (ambitiously) are prepared to suggest a reading of _Capital_.
Why not start big? However, we would very much like feedback both on the
idea of doing "readings" of any sort, and on the prospect of reading
_Capital_ in particular. It would be useful to guage the strength of
interest for this proposal, and to receive other suggestions should
anyone have them.
Anyhow, here goes for my introduction:
I have just finished an MA at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee (modern
studies concentration--kind of interdisciplinary, based in English), having
done my BA in the UK (in English). At the end of this Summer I will be
moving to the Literature program at Duke.
I started reading Marx as an undergrad (for the "English moralists"
paper!), and read more Althusser than anything else, mostly because he
sounded fun, it meant I didn't have to read Hegel, and everyone else
thought it was a bad idea (such are the ways I tend to make choices). At
the time, I enjoyed Marxist rhetoric as much as anything else--for one
thing, it ensured you were always "right" and (with Althusser) had
Science and Truth on your side. Of course, the proletariat was always a
little more difficult to locate.
At the same time I started reading Deleuze, and also read Guattari and
Negri's _Communists Like Us_. That marked the beginning of an engagement
with "autonomist" marxism, which is one of the major things I'm working
on right now (and someday I'll get round to learning Italian).
This ties in with a long spiel about the influence of Gramscianism on
cultural studies (which I declare myself against), but I'll spare you that.
So essentially (and following Negri etc.) I am interested in an analysis
of the State, and also in looking at economics or the "base": hence, for me,
the project to read _Capital_. Also, I hope, this entails a "return" to
Althusser (who, in my opinion, was never so interested in culture and
ideology as he was in the State and economics, and who was the last thing
around before everyone, by which I mean the Birmingham school, jumped on
the Gramscian bandwagon).
And I throw Bourdieu into the mix for good luck too. I find his
analysis of culture extremely useful, and a useful "antidote" to the
celebratory nature of much of what passes for cultural studies nowadays.
However, I am interested in supplementing Bourdieu's social analysis, in
part through a fuller investigation of the nature and sources of power
(which is a given in his framework, it seems) and partly through
re-interrogating both his notions of class and the moments at which he
suggests the system may break down (which I compare to a
DeleuzoGuattarian deterritorialization). These moments, however, are few
and far between.
As far as "practical" politics are concerned, apart from Labour party
activism (young socialists in Croydon North East!), and some TA unionism,
my major interest and involvement has been in Central America, which I
visited a couple of times both before and during my BA. I continue to
be interested above all in the issue of Latin and Central American
cultural identity and nationalism in a post-colonial context.
Over the past couple of years (the MA), I've been doing a lot of theory
therefore (Bourdieu--D&G--*autonomia*). One of these days I'll find a
"text" or two to look at too, and will probably concentrate on Latin
American cultural politics, therefore. But there's time.
So as far as my personal position both on Marxism and on the "marxism"
list, I guess my disposition as I move further and further away from the
discipline of English, is generally away from culturalism, but my
educational formation means that I'm not yet prepared to junk all of the
work that Western Marxism in particular has done in this area.
I hope that others on the list will now feel free to jump in and add
their own introductions, start their own debates, make known their own
concerns.
Jon
Jon Beasley-Murray
Department of English and Comp. Lit.
U. of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
jbmurray-AT-alpha1.csd.uwm.edu
----------------
From: "TIM HAVENS" <THAVENS-AT-gmuvax.gmu.edu>
Subject: intro
To: "marxism" <marxism-AT-world.std.com>
jon, thanx for breaking the ice. i signed on to this list yesterday (heard
about it from paul smith, director of cult. stud. at carnegie-melon) who
organizes the marxist literary group (an off-shoot of the m.l.a.) each
june. (wow, what a gramatically atrocious sentence!)
anyway, by means of intoduction, my name's tim. i just finished my mfa
in poetry at george mason university in fairfax, va, and got introduced to
marxism thru a lit theory class (and later a work study job) with tom
moylan, the director of the center for the study of the americas here.
most recently, ive been applying the theories to television studies, as
do most television theorists. currently im working on a paper/theory re:
"reality" television-- ie, newscasts, FOX's _COPS_, the televised oj simpson
"low speed" chase, etc. (though, admittedly, this is a project ive been
working on for years and, in many ways, am no further along than when i
started).
my readings in marxism (as for my reading ine general) has been pretty light
but the idea of reading capital (despite its weight) sounds intriguing; it's
a project ive often thought of embarking on, but to date i think ive read
only three chapters.
well, i work at a law school placement office and all ive done since i
came in is mess with my e-mail, so i should get some "real" work done.
thanx all for listening.... and nitin, i see youre on this list. cmon,
man, throw your hat in the ring.
tim
-------------
Date: 14 Jul 94 11:52:00 EST
From: "NITIN GOVIL" <NGOVIL-AT-gmuvax.gmu.edu>
Subject: RE: intro
good to see a list like this get underway--and thanks to jon (again)
for getting the discussion started, at least by way of intros, and for
suggesting _capital_. like tim (hi THAVENS), ive only ventured a few
chapters deep, and this might be a good forum for its discussion.
i've just completed a long/meandering BA at george mason university,
and am beginning an MA in film studies at new york university in the
fall. i've been working on post-colonial representations of subalternity,
particularly in Indian mainstream and "art" cinema--a project that i hope to
continue at nyu. i'm particularly (and not surprisingly, given the project)
interested in the work of the SUbaltern Studies collective, and reading
Marx with regards to "other possibilities of worlding", to use dipesh chakrabarty's intruiging phrase. have also just finished aijaz ahmad's _in thoery_ and
would be pleased to discuss the implications of his summary (though at times
provocative and useful) trashings of the american academy. i too (like tim)
have had the fortune of and introduction to marx from tom moylan, as well
as from denise albanese and aine o'brien, all at george mason.
my my, what horrible typos--forgive me!
nitin govil
ngovil-AT-gmuvax.gmu.edu
-------------------
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 10:12:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andy Kurtz <ak35+-AT-andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: intro
As for introductions:
I'm finishing my dissertation in English at Carnegie Mellon U. -- hope
to defend sometime this fall semester. My dissertation is ostensibly
an extended reading/critique of Laclau's and Mouffe's Hegemony and
Socialist Strategy. I use this book text in order to think about
questions of essentialism and anti-essentialism in Marxist theory
(especially in terms of how these questions impact upon Marxist
political economy). I am also heavily invested in an attempt to sketch
a theory of cultural processes that strikes some middle ground between
the economic essentialism of base/superstructure and (in my opinion) the
politically empty theories of Laclau and Mouffe. I could go on
forever...
Anyway, I'm really glad this list exists. I, for one, love
reading/thinking Marx. I believe I recall in the introductory notes to
this group a suggestion that we begin with Capital (ok by me). Am I to
understand that this is to be a reading-group of sorts? Could someone
fill me in?
thanx,
Andy
"Capital is dead labour which, vampire-like, lives only by sucking
living labour, and lives the more, the more labour it sucks." Capital
v.1
----------------------
From: Jonathan Beasley Murray <jbmurray-AT-alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: intro
Thanks for the introduction, Andy. The project on Laclau and Mouffe
sounds great to me.
On Fri, 15 Jul 1994, Andy Kurtz wrote:
> Anyway, I'm really glad this list exists. I, for one, love
> reading/thinking Marx. I believe I recall in the introductory notes to
> this group a suggestion that we begin with Capital (ok by me). Am I to
> understand that this is to be a reading-group of sorts? Could someone
> fill me in?
Well, the list should be whatever the list-members find useful. Most
similar lists, however, are combinations of discussion and more organized
readings--which take time, and (in my experience) aren't amazingly
rigorous, but provide a focus and a sense of continuity. The moderators
here suggested _Capital_ as a place to begin a discussion of Marxism. But
that project is up for grabs, and we would need some suggestion that at
least some others on the list would be interested in following that reading.
> thanx,
> Andy
Jon
Jon Beasley-Murray
Department of English and Comp. Lit.
U. of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
jbmurray-AT-alpha1.csd.uwm.edu
---------------------
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 14:15:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: James Patrick Herron <jherron-AT-umich.edu>
Subject: Introduction
Hi there, all. My name is Jim Herron and this is my introduction.
I am a 3rd year anthropology graduate student at the University
of Michigan. My main areas of interest are Latin America, Mexico,
political economy, the theory of ideology, and the philosophy
of social science.
My training in the Marxist tradition was mainly
at the University of Wisconsin, Madison with Erik Olin Wright.
One outcome of this is that I am most familiar with the
work of 'Analytical Marxists' and Marxism by way of sociology
than with other variants, for instance what gets called
Marxism in literary circles. Hopefully this will bring
something of interest to our discussions.
Well, that's it. Best wishes, Jim Herron
-----------------------
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 23:12:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: Maureen Moynagh <moynagh-AT-CC.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: intro
Hi,
I'm Maureen Moynagh. I teach English (modernism and ethnic studies,
mostly). I am particuarly interested in the Frankfurt School and in
Althusser. A discussion of Gramsci/Althusser would be of
interest, but I really have no preference regarding reading material.
MM
--------------
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 1994 00:50:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: SCIABRRC-AT-ACFcluster.NYU.EDU
Subject: Intro
Hello to Jon, Tim, Nitim, Andy, Jim, Eric, Wes, Christopher,
and others. Nice to meet you.
By way of introduction, my name is Chris Sciabarra, and I've
joined this list out of general interest in Marxism. I am
not a Marxist, but I earned my Ph.D. at NYU, in Political
Theory, under the direction of Bertell Ollman, the author of
ALIENATION. Deeply influenced by Ollman's dialectical
approach, I have become a serious student of dialectical
method. My two forthcoming books, MARX, HAYEK, AND UTOPIA,
and AYN RAND: THE RUSSIAN RADICAL, examine the dialectical
methods prevalent among non-Marxist thinkers (Hayek and Rand)
in twentieth-century libertarian thought. The theme is
rather disorienting to both Marxists and non-Marxists, I'm
sure. But it is work that needs to be done, if only to draw
attention to the necessity of a dialectical mode of analysis
in contemporary social theory.
I have no great preference as to where we begin; I look
forward to interacting with all of you, as time permits.
- Chris
============================================================Dr. Chris M. Sciabarra
Visiting Scholar, N.Y.U. Department of Politics
INTERNET: sciabrrc-AT-acfcluster.nyu.edu
BITNET: sciabrrc-AT-nyuacf
============================================================
---------------
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 94 14:34:12 EST
From: WCECIL-AT-ucs.indiana.edu
Subject: intro
Well, since intro's seem to be the order of the day, my name
is Wes Cecil from Indiana University and I specialise in Marx
continental interpretations of Marx since 1965 or so, mostly
post may day fun.
As for a starting place, how about the 1844 E&P Manuscripts. They
are much, much shorter than capital, seem to raise similar issues
in a more broadly philosophical register, and is just whackier than hell.
As a side note, if anyone can figure out what a "woman's community" refers
to during the 1800's I would be most appreciative. It comes up several
times in Marx's stuff, and he never seems interested in expounding on
what it might mean.
"Workers of the World Relax"
-------------------
From: Christopher A Fons <anton-AT-alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: intro
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 14:55:59 -0500 (CDT)
Whoever,
I'm Chris Fons from UW-Milwaukee. I'm studying US history with a
focus on Latin American-US relations. Radical movements in Central America
and the SWP branch in Milwukee during the 80's contributed to my
radicalization that has waned ( activity wise not ideologically) in the
present except for my studies and membership in my TA union.
Looking forward to the discussion,
CF
----------------
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 16:44:59 -0400
From: kp10-AT-Cornell.edu (Kathy Purnell)
Subject: Intro
Hi! Some of you may already know me from the odd "conceal" message that was
sent worldwide which (inadvertently) revealed my identity to the universe
(Sorry!). My name is Kathy Purnell and I am a graduate student in political
theory at Cornell University. I am interested in Marx, 18th century
political thought, theories/empirical studies of nationalism and
post-colonial theory. I also (like several of you) believe that Laclau and
Mouffe are pretty "empty" philosophically -- laclau's thoughts on social
antagonism, how it reflects the "limit of all objectivity," and his
description of how we ought to engage in a new "emancipatory" politics are
unsatisfying to me. I look forward to talking to all of you about Marx and
Marxist thought. The idea, however, of starting with Capital makes me
nervous...could we start with something smaller like a close reading of
Marx's earlier works (1844 manuscripts, other selections in Tucker's
Marx/Engel's Reader, for example)?
--------------
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 94 16:35:50 EDT
From: Oliver <ORFROE00-AT-UKCC.uky.edu>
Subject: Re: intro & Marx electronic library
Intro
I'm a first year PhD student in geography at the University of Kentucky.
My interests are varied, as a Master's thesis I did a historical study on
Native Americans & their confinement to reservations and subsequent conversion
of communal to private property with associated landloss & pauperization; my
current interests are more in social theory, economic restructuring & the role
of communications technology, with a secondary interest in Mexico/Central
America.
As for politics, I've always been a leftie but I was probably more active when
I was back in Germany. I finally joined a reading group this summer with the
goal of plowing through all the volumes of Capital, and I found especially
Volume I thoroughly enjoyable. I don't have preference for a strating point for
discussion, but I sometime I would like to hear more about Andy's work on
Laclau and Mouffe.
In case we want to start with earlier writings, I'd like to make you aware of
the Marx -Engels electronic library. I am attaching a background document with
instructions on how to log on.
Cheers
____________________________________________________________________________
MARX AND ENGELS ONLINE LIBRARY GUIDE
update: May 5, 1994
(Happy birthday, Karl :)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
It has been a while since the Marx & Engels Online Library was updated
-- even longer since it this annoucement has been issued about
newsgroups and lists. (And please distribute this freely.)
But the library has grown.
The M&E Online Library is constantly "under construction". New works
are added, errors are corrected (I thank those who report them) and
further data on existent files are appended. Net cruisers are
encouraged to sweep in every two weeks or five to see what's new.
However, monthly updates will be issued.
There is absolutely no way to monetarily profit from this project. It
is a labor of love undertaken in the purest communitarian sense. The
real "profit" will hopefully manifest in the form of individual
enlightenment through easy access to these classic works.
The goal, however dreamy and distant at this juncture, is to have all
major works online for the centennial of the passing of Frederick Engels
-- August 5, 1995.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
NEW MATERIAL
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The following works have been added to the M&E Archive since the
January 30, 1994, update:
1844 -- CRITICAL NOTES ON THE ARTICLE "THE KING OF PRUSSIA AND SOCIAL
REFORM. BY A PRUSSIAN." Marx's aim here is two establish the
fact he didn't write the aforementioned article (Arnold Ruge
did). Marx continues his theory that the state and private
life are separate and therefore the state cannot weed out
social misery alone -- as the writer of the original article
seemed to suggest.
1847+ - THE COMMUNIST LEAGUE -- A new subdirectory, containing
documents from Marx and Engels work with the Communist League
and its predecessor. Includes Engels' excellent history of
the League.
1867 -- CAPITAL -- No, not complete. Sorry. But a start.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
BACKGROUND
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The M&E library serves several functions.
It provides research material and/or general reading pleasure for those
interested in this epoch-shaping stream of thought.
More importantly, these works are now constantly at hand and FREE (ok
ok, I know you need a computer and a modem, etc., that's another story).
The recent demise of Progress Publishers in Moscow means M&E texts will
probably become harder to find, and most certainly more expensive --
driving the volumes out of the range of students and working people.
Once transcribed, and uploaded to the net, ascii-Marx/Engels works take
on lives of their own, branching off from the mainstream net into little
BBS eddies about the globe, from Austria to Australia. I've happily
heard from people who have found them in little local BBSs in places of
which I've never heard. As most local BBS users don't have access to
the Internet, I assume a great many more are getting these files, yet
have not the means to tell me so.
There are several people scattered about the North American continent
who have volunteered to help in ascii-transription of some Marx/Engels
text. Most are only _casually_ involved, so please do not think major
time commitments are a requirement to help -- one chapter of one book
goes a long way. If you wish to aid in this project, please contact me
at zodiac-AT-io.org, to prevent duplication of effort. The more the
merrier.
At any rate, I hope you find the Marx/Engels virtual library of value
and enjoyment.
But, enough of the background crap. To the heart of things: the files
themselves!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
GETTING THE FILES
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
There are three main ways to access the M&E archives: Gopher, FTP,
and Email.
GOPHER
When logged into your Internet account, at the prompt type:
gopher csf.colorado.edu
You will connect to a Boulder, Colorado, computer which will then present
you an opening menu. Select/type:
11
which takes you into the Progressive Sociologist Network (PSN) menu; at
this point, you will see the Marx and Engels section at number:
4
Type that, and in you go. Pick and choose among the dozens of texts
available.
The advantage of gopher is that it is makes it easier to use/browse the
library, peek about into files; and, most importantly, gopher permits me
to provide fuller file titles, so etext files can be named exactly as
per the original works (as opposed to ftp listings, which have shorter
names).
If you decide you wish to keep a copy of a work, just hit (s)ave and it
copies the file back to the home area of your account computer.
You will find the full-titled gopher-file list of the complete M&E
Online Library at the very end of this posting.
FTP
If you don't want to browse, but rather just log in and snatch the
whole library no-questions-asked, screw the rodent, login by ftp, and
"mget -r" the lot.
FTP ("File Transfer Protocol") is a method of zapping files around the
planet, from one computer to another. Assuming you have ftp capability,
at the prompt, type
ftp csf.colorado.edu
You will connected to the remote computer and will then be asked for a
login name. Type:
anonymous
It will then ask you for a password: type
your-AT-email.address
Once in, type
cd psn/Marx
and you will be in the directory. Hit "ls" for a list of what files
are there. Type "get <filename>" to have a file sent back to your
home directory.
These are all exactly the same files you would see by gophering in --
except their ftp names are invariably shorter and more cryptic
looking. For instance, the _Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts_ is
titled EPManuscript.
EMAIL
Not all Internet accounts have access to FTP or gopher.
csf.colorado.edu also makes files available by mail.
Fortunately, there are "ftp-by-mail" services offered by generous sites.
Through ftp-by-mail, you place an "order" by email with a third
computer, which then follows your instructions and logs into the
computer holding the files you want (in this case csf.colorado.edu),
grabs those files, then mails them to you.
For details on how to work this, send an email message to either:
ftpmail-AT-sunsite.unc.edu
ftpmail-AT-pa.dec.com
and put nothing but the word
help
in the body of the message itself. You will automatically be sent
instructions on how to use this extremely helpful service. Note that
the first listed service above seems to have a faster turn-around time.
TO GET A COPY OF THE ENTIRE DIRECTORY of the short UNIX names, send
email to:
csfserv-AT-csf.colorado.edu
with only this in the body of the message (no signatures):
list psn/Marx
You may have to do a wee bit of guess work to figure out what is what.
Use the full-name gopher list attached below to help match up "decode"
names.
Piping Marx and Engels into cyberspace...
Ken.
Archivist, Marx/Engels Online Library
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gopher Listing of M/E Online Library
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This menu is set up recursively, meaning, subdirectories within
directories are listed. For instance, you can see that "1843 -- Letters
to Arnold Ruge (M)" is really a directory, and inside it can be found
three files -- namely, the three letters Marx wrote to his friend and
co-editor Arnold Ruge.
1. The M&E Online Library Update -- May 5, 1994 (read me!)
2. 1837+ - Young Marx (before editing Rheinische Zeitung)/
1836/11 -- Love Poems to Jenny (three).
1836/12 -- Feelings.
1836/12 -- My World.
1837/ -- Wild Songs.
1837/02 -- Transformation
3. 1842 -- Communism and the Augsburg Allgemeine Zeitung (M)
4. 1843 -- Letters to Arnold Ruge (M)/
Mar -- "Ship of Fools".
May -- On Prussian Absolutism.
Sep -- "Ruthless Criticism".
5. 1844 -- Critical Notes on "The King of Prussia" (M)
6. 1844 -- Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts (M)/
7. 1844 -- Intro to a Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right (M)
8. 1844 -- On The Jewish Question (M)
9. 1845 -- Theses on Feuerbach (M)
10. 1847 -- Communist League/
History of the Communist League (E - 1885)
1846 03/31 -- Weitling letter
1846 05/05 -- Marx asks Proudhon to join (M)
1850 03/ -- Address to the Communist League (ME)
1850 06/ -- Address to the Communist League (ME)
11. 1847 -- Principles of Communism (E)
12. 1847 -- The Poverty of Philosophy (M)/
A Scientific Discovery/
The Antithesis of Use Value and Exchange Value
Constituted Value and Synthetic Value
Application of the Law of the Proportionality of Value/
-- Money
-- Surplus Labor
The Metaphysics of Political Economy/
The Method
Division of Labor and Machinery
Competition and Monopoly
Property or Ground Rent
Strikes and Combinations of Workers
13. 1848 -- Communism, Revolution, and a Free Poland (M)
14. 1848 -- Speech: On The Question of Free Trade (M)/
15. 1848 -- The Communist Manifesto (ME)/
Collected Prefaces of Marx and Engels/
Bourgeois and Proletarians.
Proletarians and Communists.
Socialist and Communist Literature.
The Various Existing Opposition Parties.
16. 1849 -- Wage-Labor and Capital (M)/
Engels' 1891 Introduction.
Preliminary.
What Are Wages?.
By What is the Price of a Commodity Determined?.
By What Are Wages Determined?.
The Nature and Growth of Capital.
Relation of Wage-Labor to Capital.
The Rise and Fall of Wages and Profits.
Capital and Labor Are Diametrically Opposed.
Effect of Capitalist Competition on Classes.
17. 1850 -- England's 17th c. Revolution (ME)
18. 1853 -- The Duchess of Sutherland and Slavery (M)
19. 1857 -- Intro to a Critique of Political Economy (M)/
Production.
Relations of Production to Distribution....
The Method of Political Economy.
Various Topics.
20. 1858 -- Pre-Capitalist Economic Formations (M)/
introduction
part 1
part 2
21. 1858 -- The Grundrisse (M)/
22. 1864 -- International Working Men's Association/
1864 10/27 -- General Rules and Administrative Regulations .
1864 10/27 -- The Inaugural Address of the International.
1865 01/28 -- Address: Re-elected President Lincoln.
1865 02/13 -- Letter to J. B. Schweitzer.
1867 11/20 -- On the Fenian Prisoners in Manchester.
1868 05/11 -- Address: National Labor Union (US) on UK war.
1869 07/20 -- Resolution: Right of Inheritance.
1870 07/14 -- Programme for the 5th Congress.
1870 07/23 -- First Address on the Franco-Prussian War.
1870 09/09 -- Second Address on the Franco-Prussian War.
1871 05/30 -- Third Address on the Franco-Prussian War (Commune).
1871 09/20 -- Speech: Political Action and the Working Class.
1872 03/05 -- Fictitious Splits in the International (ME)/
1872 03/05 -- Resolution(s): US Federation Split.
1872 05/ -- Notes on the "American Split".
1872 09/ -- Resolution: Working Class Parties.
1872 09/08 -- Speech: The Political Battleground.
The Conflict with Bakunin (1868-72)
1868 12/15 -- Marx's Marginal Notes on Alliance Programme
1868 12/22 -- General Council Statement on Alliance
1869 03/09 -- General Council Letter to Alliance
1870 03/28 -- Confidential Circular on Alliance (M)
1871 09/18 -- Notes on Marx Speech (E)
23. 1867 -- Capital/
Marx's dedication
Collected prefaces and afterwords/
Part 1 -- Commodities and Money/
Part 2 -- Transformation of Money into Capital/
Part 3 -- Production of Absolute Surplus-Value/
Part 4 -- Production of Relative Surplus-Value/
Part 5 -- Production of Abs. and Rel. Surplus-Value/
Part 6 -- Wages/
Part 7 -- Accumulation of Capital/
Part 8 -- So-Called Primitive Accumulation/
24. 1867 -- Speech: Poland and the Russian Menace (M)
25. 1868 -- Synopsis of Marx's Capital (E)/
Introduction.
Commodities and Money.
The Transformation of Money into Capital.
The Production of Absolute Surplus-Value.
Relative.Surplus.
26. 1869 -- The Abolition of Landed Property (M)
27. 1871 -- Marx's Daughters in Post-Commune France (Jenny Marx)
28. 1871 -- New York World Interview with Marx
29. 1871 -- The Civil War in France (M)/
Chronology.
Engels' 1891 Introduction.
First Address -- July 23, 1870.
Second Address -- September 9, 1870.
Third Address -- May 30, 1871.
appendices.
footnotes.
30. 1872 -- On Authority (E)
31. 1875 -- Critique of the Gotha Program
32. 1877 -- Socialism: Utopian and Scientific (E)/
1892 Introduction/
Early Socialist Utopians.
Dialectical Method.
Historical Materialism.
notes.
33. 1879 -- Chicago Tribune Interview with Marx
34. 1879 -- Reformists in Germany's Social-Democratic party (ME)
35. 1882 -- Bruno Bauer and Early Christianity (E)
36. 1883 -- Engels' Speech At Karl Marx's Grave (E)
37. 1886 -- The End of Classical German Philosophy (E)/
1888 Introduction
Hegelian System vs Dialectical Method
Idealism vs Materialism
Feuerbach's "Idealism"
Marx's "Materialism"
footnotes
Appendix: Theses of Feuerbach (M)
38. 1894 -- The Peasant Question in France and Germany (E)/
39. 1895 -- Capital III: Law of Value and Rate of Profit (E)/
40. OTHERS/
DeLeon
Lenin
Trotsky
(Please note: Though this archive has a small DeLeon/Lenin/Trotsky
section, it is not intended to store programmatic material from modern
political organizations, so please don't ask. There is already exists
an interesting collection of such material at etext.archive.umich.edu,
maintained by Paul Southworth (pauls-AT-umich.edu).)
_________________________________________________________________________
Oliver Froehling Dept. of Geography
(606) 257-6992 University of Kentucky
ORFROE00-AT-UKCC.UKY.EDU Lexington, KY 40506-0027
-----------------------
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 19:05:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Hardt <hardt-AT-acpub.duke.edu>
Subject: marxism: intro
Intro
Hi - I'm Michael Hardt and I am new to the list.
I have no preference which texts we start with.
--------------------
From: SUBTILE-AT-aol.com
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 94 21:53:42 EDT
Subject: Re: intro
Dear Marxists,
I'm in the 2nd year of a PhD in Communication at the Ohio State University.
My current e-mail address (subtile-AT-aol.com) is a vacation address: September
I will change addresses. I think it's really cool that a marxist chat group
like this exists, though I'm a bit wary of academic conversations about Marx.
Sometimes academicians can talk in a way that "declaws" Marx, deprives his
words of the power to effect a real praxis toward the world. Even words like
"praxis" can themselves be turned into static tokens of the common attempt to
demarcate one's place in the community of academic careerists if they have no
connection to any real attempt to do something about late capitalism.
The idea of doing a reading of CAPITAL is OK, though maybe it would also be
good to talk about a particular theoretical constellation within the
literature, bridging CAPITAL (Volume 1, 2, or 3? 3 is quite important,
volatile, and under-explored....) and other texts. Some suggested
constellations:
1) The theory of the revolution, and its effect on marxism
2) The theory of commodity fetishism, reification, the culture industry etc.
3) The base/superstructure model
4) The theory of surplus value
5) The labor theory of value
6) The critique of alienation
PS Anyone out there belong to SOLIDARITY?
-Samuel Day Fassbinder
-------------------
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 94 10:19:18 EST
From: WCECIL-AT-ucs.indiana.edu
Subject: Re: intro
Two comments on intro notes. First, Alex T. you mentioned that you leaned
more towards anarchism than Marxism. I am not that familiar with
anarchist thought other than Bakhunin, but particularly the early works
of Marx are wildly radical and might be of interest to you.
Someone asked what was "wrong" with Laclau and Moufe. In a
reading group here at I.U. we loosely agreed that if you think liberal
democracy is a good idea, then nothing, otherwise, they really end up
sounding like apologists for liberal democracy. In some ways, they are
frighteningly in line with Francis Fukeyama's "End of History" argument.
wes
----------------------------
From: Andy Daitsman <ADAITS-AT-macc.wisc.edu>
Subject: intro
Hi,
I'm Andy Daitsman (my system, at least, doesn't give me folks' names at the top,
hence this little formality). I'm a Ph.D. candidate in Latin American history
at the University of Wisconsin, with a little teaching experience already.
Unlike some of you, then, I don't study Marx and/or Marxism for a living, but I
do try to use theoretical literature to inform my own understanding of the
world. (My diss does include a section on the development of utopian socialism
in Europe and its propagation in Chile, but only in a descriptive way.)
I'm very interested in Andy's discussion of Laclau and Mouffe. I too found
them highly interesting, challenging, but politically empty. Personally, I
prefer Laclau's older work, where he first starts to delink ideology from class,
to the newer stuff. I don't know what to do with a theory of politics which
explicitly rejects any understanding of exploitation.
Although just last week I recommended Hegemony and Socialist Strategy to my
wife, who is a member of Solidarity. (I'm not.) She had come home from a
meeting wondering how to incorporate the working class into a revolutionary
movement.
I'm also intrigued by Chris's work on Marx and Hayek. I've recently done a
little reading on the Austrian school, trying to get a sense of where Chile's
Chicago Boys came from, and I even took a look at the _Constitution of Liberty_.
I would very much like to take a glance at Chris's book when it comes out, so
if he could keep us, or me, informed of publication dates, etc., I would like
that very much.
BTW, my experience with discussion groups leads me to think that topics develop
out of someone posing an interesting question more than out of everyone getting
together and deciding what to do...
See ya'll,
Andy Daitsman
Department of History
University of Wisconsin, Madison
adaits-AT-macc.wisc.edu
-----------------
From: Thomas Schumacher <tschumac-AT-magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: another intro....
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 94 12:02:43 EDT
By way of an introduction, my name is Tom Schumacher and I'm a 3rd year Ph.D.
student in communication/cultural studies. I too began reading Marx as an
undergrad, where my interests developed primarily towards the political economy
of the mass media. Since then, I've continued to read in political economy,
but have also done some stuff in culural studies and critical theory. Right
now I'm trying to smash it together in an analysis of the popular music
industry which might incorporate insights from not only from institutional
economics and from marxists like the French Regulation School and Ernest
Mandel, but also some of the writings of folks like Deleuze and the
Autonomists ('allo, Jon).
As far as the list goes, I'd like to read _Capital_, and like Sam I'd be
interested in a reading of vol. 3. The other choice, which hasn't come up a
lot yet, would be the _Grundrisse_.
For now,
Tom
Schumacher.2-AT-osu.edu
---------------------
From: SUBTILE-AT-aol.com
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 94 12:24:01 EDT
Subject: Laclau/Mouffe, Fukuyama, Marx
Sam Fassbinder here again....
Comrades,
The Laclau/Mouffe posts have been very interesting. I read HEGEMONY AND
SOCIALIST STRATEGY awhile ago -- I'm not really clear what that stuff is
supposed to do for people in terms of helping better their lives. I saw
Ernesto Laclau in person in Claremont CA about 3 years ago, and an exchange
with a questioner in the audience stuck in my memory of the event. Laclau
had no theoretical answer for why the civil rights movement of Martin Luther
King has improved people's lives -- his definition of words such as
"liberation" or "emancipation" had no relevance to such historical events.
In the recent issue of NEW LEFT REVIEW Jacques Derrida has a piece on Marx
that discusses Francis Fukuyama in depth.
The question I would consider crucial to the debate between Fukuyama and
marxists would be: "Is there an alternative to capitalism"?
-Samuel Day Fassbinder
---------------------
From: Dave Wilson <Dave-AT-zizek.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Intro
Hi,
I have a long-standing committment to marxism and socialism, despite
finding many of the stances adopted and actions taken by those in the
relevant political parties deeply problematic. I am not *actually*
thinking of the soviet ones here in particular.
I am about to start on Laclau and Mouffe's book and would be interested in
hearing what is behind the suggestion that they are politically empty. One
view about them is that they are part of a project to attempt to
resuscitate socialism, in some form, which is suitable, relevant and which
has some popular appeal.
I suppose the issue is whether in attempting to do this they have retained
anything which has politicall force. Is this what the debate is about?
I've never read Capital! What a good idea.
Thanks to Oliver for posting info about the Marx-Engels electronic library
Dave
Dave Wilson | A letter always arrives at its destination
(Dave-AT-zizek.demon.co.uk) | Jacques Lacan
----------------
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 1994 01:26:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Alex Trotter <uburoi-AT-panix.com>
Subject: intro
Hello everybody. I'm a freelance editor and indexer, not, like most
people on this list whose introductions I've seen so far, an academic.
I'm an assistant editor with Autonomedia and am going to be involved with
the editorial collective of the magazine _Anarchy: A Journal of Desire
Armed_. I lean more to the anarchist side of things, but Marx holds my
interest too. The writings of the Situationist International have been
very influential on me, but I don't consider myself a marxist. There's a
lot of Marx I haven't read--_Capital_ included, so I would be up for
reading that. Also, Marx's confrontations with others in the Young
Hegelian milieu, particularly Stirner, as well as with other anarchists
(Proudhon, Bakunin). Other points of interest for me: interaction
(clash?) between Marx's thought and that of such figures as
Fourier, Nietzsche, and Freud (Wilhelm Reich, surrealism, Frankfurt
School to some extent).
--Alex T.
---------------
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 94 14:43:42 EST
From: "Zinner, Eric" <zinner-AT-routledge.com>
Subject: Re: intro
Hey.
I completed my Master's in cultural studies at Carnegie Mellon
(greetings to Zen Master Kurtz) before leaving for New York, and
ending up in the editorial department at Routledge working on their
cultural studies, lesbian and gay studies, film and media lists. A
different node in the circulation of knowledge, what?
Local activism and forestalling brain atrophy have been two primary
extra-employment priorities. A group called Jews for Racial and
Economic Justice has been my outlet for the former. Their project is
threefold: to develop and work in coalition with other progressive
groups (i.e. assisting Chinese Staff and Workers, an independent
union, after being locked out of the Silver Palace--the only unionized
restaurant in Chinatown); education within the NY Jewish community
(i.e. running anti-racism workshops and a teach-in on Radical Jewish
History); and providing a much needed left\progresive Jewish voice in
the city. I've partially addressed the latter with a reading group on
Nationalism & Sexuality with a cell of Brooklyn lefties, Stanley
Aronowitz and Lynn Chancer among them. The group was very productive
when we met, but erratic, and has anyway adjourned for the summer, so
an electronic group has some appeal.
_Capital_ does not make me want to sing exactly; a bit to "ur" for me
at the moment, but I'd give it a role if that's what the group decided
on. I would find more compelling a discussion of the
Gramsci/Althusser split introduced by Jon in the first post,
especially since it has not occured to me as antagonistic. Also of
interest would be reading/discussion around the question of the
continued salience, or more pointedly, primacy of class-based
analysis. e.g. can economic determination "in the last instance" be
something other than determinist, or are we resigned to a
non-hierarchized class, race, gender, etc. scheme. Anyway, some
ideas.
Eric
P.S. Jon, I'm interestd in your grad school decision. Duke Lit. seems
like an odd choice if you're moving away from English, no?
-----------------
Subject: Re: intro
From: mdreyfus-AT-phantom.com (UBERMENSCH)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 94 15:29:35 EDT
WCECIL-AT-ucs.indiana.edu writes:
> Someone asked what was "wrong" with Laclau and Moufe. In a
> reading group here at I.U. we loosely agreed that if you think liberal
> democracy is a good idea, then nothing, otherwise, they really end up
> sounding like apologists for liberal democracy. In some ways, they are
> frighteningly in line with Francis Fukeyama's "End of History" argument.
> wes
>
Ive heard a lot about the fukeyama book, but have not read it myself...I
have heard he takes the standard liberal approach and since the world is
now completely enlightened, history can stop and the fun can start. Is
this a fair analysis of this man's "work" or to I give him too much credit?
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\ The staff at MDREYFUS.INC is to be congratulated for the brilliant /
/ achievement in winning the First Annual Golden Turd Award issued by \
\ MindVox! The Golden Turd is issued to those intellects capable of /
/ making VOXspace such a wonderful cyberplace to visit! \
\ ***** /
/ And remember at MDREYFUS.INC the "M" always stands for Malodorous! \
\ mdreyfus-AT-mindvox.phantom.com ^ /
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
--------------------
To: marxism-AT-world.std.com
Subject: Re: Intro
From: mdreyfus-AT-phantom.com (UBERMENSCH)
I would be interested in hearing more about your book or hearing where it
can be found. I too was associated with NYU in the Department of Near
Eastern Languagues and Literatures, but have left to undertake a cultural
anthro/philosophy program at the New School.
My interests are not expecially from a Marxist viewpoint, but my main
focus is examining the development of publica education as a state
practice (forging of rationality, ideology and development of young
children, invention of ignorance, etc...)
Michael Dreyfus
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\ The staff at MDREYFUS.INC is to be congratulated for the brilliant /
/ achievement in winning the First Annual Golden Turd Award issued by \
\ MindVox! The Golden Turd is issued to those intellects capable of /
/ making VOXspace such a wonderful cyberplace to visit! \
\ ***** /
/ And remember at MDREYFUS.INC the "M" always stands for Malodorous! \
\ mdreyfus-AT-mindvox.phantom.com ^ /
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
--------------------
From: bb05246-AT-bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (John Hollister)
Subject: Re: intro
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 1994 16:06:20 -0400 (EDT)
Howdy,
I'm a permagrad student in sociology at SUNY-Binghamton, which is a
department that is deeply divided among orthodox marxists (Petras,
Murray, Geschwender...) World systems/neo-marxist (Wallerstein,
Arrighi, Hopkins...) and poststructuralists (Santiago...).
At the moment, I am interested in debates on forms of production -
petty commodity production and others that make up the so-called
'informal sector', and those in the transition to capitalism. I had
started out doing work on the pre/non capitalist mode of production in
North Africa, but switched to gay studies, though I retain a
preference for historical materialist theories of history.
Of the topics for this list that have come up so far, the one that
exites me most is how to juxtapose Marx (where I go for the big
picture) and Bourdieu (who makes the most sense out of everyday life).
Maybe some of the regulation school stuff (Lipietz, Aglietta, etc)
might help here.
I'm a recovering radical hoping to become an academic careerist :)
John Hollister
bb05246-AT-bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu
---------------
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 1994 23:27:51 -0500 (EST)
From: BMATHEW-AT-vms.cis.pitt.edu
Subject: Re: intro
hi,
introductions seem to be in order and so here goes... i teach at a
college up in nj called rider college and am just about all set to
graduate out of u pitt over the next couple of weeks... i did my phd and
teach currently in a business school!!!! whats a business schooler doing
on a marxist reading group... well, strange things do happen!! my work
(for my dissertation) follows the work of the french regulationists and
some of the radical geographers/urban planner (david harvey, manuel
castells, julie graham... ) and is an effort to figure out what all this
talk about post-fordism actually means. the focus essentially is on the
production component within regimes of production-consumption and my
theses leads to me conclude that "fordism as a regime of production"
just migrated from manf. sectors into office spaces, now mass producing
packaged information as a commodity... (the famous service sector!)...
and that post-fordist rhetoric essentially provides an ideological cover
for this migration.... of course i write all this in "code" in an effort
to pull wool over my advisers eyes (he being a staunch republican!)!!...
i am hoping to take the work ahead to somekind of a theorization of what
working class politics means in the new technologically (info tech)
integrated world... hopefully i won't end up with yet another "new
working class" idea!!!
apart from this, i also am part of various other activities... part of
an editorial collective for a progressive south asian rag called
sanskriti and also moderate a newsgroup on usenet called
"alt.india.progressive"....
as far as preferences on what to read... given that my marxist positions
evolved within a business school they essentially came through
disorganized academic readings... partial readings of so many texts -
capital included... so this discussion group will only add to that
mode of education!! more disorganized reading!!!... so anything goes...
biju
------------------------
From: ReDionysus-AT-aol.com
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 94 00:49:13 EDT
Subject: get it rolling..
Hi, I'm Seamus, one of the three moderators here.
I'll get around to posting an intro when I've got more time. Right now I'd
like to encourage someone to get the ball rolling on the Althusser/Gramsci
thread, that's what we're here for... and you don't have to ask permission.
We are trying to generate some sort of concensus, or at least get a feel for
who'd be interested in doing a slow reading of a Marx text. Personally my
expertise runs towards the works before Capital, and I'd be glad to lead a
reading of the 1844 M's if we have sufficient people. But I wouldn't mind
doing a more disciplined reading of Capital straight through as opposed to my
shotgun peppering of the work. We should be able to carry on at least two or
three readings concurrently and certainly no one need join in on any of them,
it's just that reading and posting alone defeats the purpose of the list. The
real limitation is getting enough people to read and participate as opposed
to insufficient bandwidth. So, I'd say, get the ball rolling, talk amongst
yourselves about your common interests and shortly we'll try to see about
getting a reading going. I'd also encourage you that haven't done so to write
an intro, I'm glad to see so many have already done so, it looks like we're
going to have an active list. (I sound like the host of a dinner party: The
entertainment will arrive shortly, we have a full bar and dinner will be
served promptly at nine.)
[][][] Seamus (btw Jon, the "[][][]"- they're just for fun)
--------------------
From: Jonathan Beasley Murray <jbmurray-AT-alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: intro
Thanks for the introduction, Andy. The project on Laclau and Mouffe
sounds great to me.
On Fri, 15 Jul 1994, Andy Kurtz wrote:
> Anyway, I'm really glad this list exists. I, for one, love
> reading/thinking Marx. I believe I recall in the introductory notes to
> this group a suggestion that we begin with Capital (ok by me). Am I to
> understand that this is to be a reading-group of sorts? Could someone
> fill me in?
Well, the list should be whatever the list-members find useful. Most
similar lists, however, are combinations of discussion and more organized
readings--which take time, and (in my experience) aren't amazingly
rigorous, but provide a focus and a sense of continuity. The moderators
here suggested _Capital_ as a place to begin a discussion of Marxism. But
that project is up for grabs, and we would need some suggestion that at
least some others on the list would be interested in following that reading.
> thanx,
> Andy
Jon
Jon Beasley-Murray
Department of English and Comp. Lit.
U. of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
jbmurray-AT-alpha1.csd.uwm.edu
Display software: ArchTracker © Malgosia Askanas, 2000-2005